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>> The tricky part is finding them. ;-)
>
> You go to Amazon and read which books sell best, and look at the
> reviews. When you get stuck, you ask someone you know who is already
> experienced with photoshop.
Heh. That drawing book had great reviews, and yet still it didn't really
help me to draw...
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Warp wrote:
> If he is unwilling to learn to use a program like Photoshop, I doubt he
> will be willing to learn to use the Gimp.
I'm unwilling to learn Photoshop because I don't *have* Photoshop! :-P
Learning how to use something I haven't got isn't going to help me very
much...
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Darren New wrote:
> http://w3schools.com/css/
I've always found this site to be particularly unhelpful when I'm trying
to learn things. And yet lots of people seem to recommend it...
>> (I have to find out what tags and classes exist in the HTML and what
>> they contain, then see where they end up on the rendered page, and
>> then see what CSS is applied to them, and lookup what images are being
>> referenced, and then see the JavaScript that's manipulating them, and...)
>
> Welcome to modern web programming.
Well, understand that I learned about HTML, XML, CSS, etc. waaay back in
2001. Sure, I occasionally go read the latest W3C draft from time to
time, but I haven't done a huge amount of this stuff recently.
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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Ugly, isn't it?
>
> Rather retro, actually.
I just got home, clicked it to remind myself what it looks like, and
GAH! >_< Did I really waste 2 hours making this? It's awful! :-S
Must try harder...
(Still, just making the vertical colour gradiant is painful when you
have to type in all the RGB values by hand, trying to guess what might
look nice.)
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TC wrote:
> If you don't use any paint program yet, try the GIMP.
Now I'm sure I've heard people complain that "the GIMP is an image
processor, not a paint program".
> It is not my first choice because I do not like the interface.
Well, there is that too, yes. ;-) From what little research I've done,
the way the GIMP works makes sense to the people who designed it, but
fails to follow any normal kind of intuition, making it maddeningly hard
to learn.
> If you want vector-images then Inkscape looks promising.
I've seen it, I've used it, it's nice that it exists, but it's really
not very easy to do anything remotely useful with it.
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> TC wrote:
>
>> If you don't use any paint program yet, try the GIMP.
>
> Now I'm sure I've heard people complain that "the GIMP is an image
> processor, not a paint program".
Then get tuxpaint :P
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>>> If you don't use any paint program yet, try the GIMP.
>> Now I'm sure I've heard people complain that "the GIMP is an image
>> processor, not a paint program".
>
> Then get tuxpaint :P
...oh dear god, it actually exists! o_O
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:35:48 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> Out of curiosity, how does one "learn" Photoshop anyway?
Most people learn by using or by buying a book if the manual is useless
or nonexistent.
> Presumably it doesn't come with a manual - or if it does, it only covers
> what each button and menu item does (which isn't the same as knowing how
> to *use* these tools to achieve a particular goal).
That's what the plethora of third party books covers.
> Also, Photoshop costs something absurd like £700, which normal humans
> don't have.
There are other graphics programs besides Photoshop - like the Gimp.
Jim
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:34:22 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> Out of curiosity, how does one "learn" Photoshop anyway?
>>
>> You use it. You read tutorials on the internet (do you really think
>> there
>> aren't any?) You read books. You ask colleagues.
>
> In my experience, most Internet tutorials aren't very useful. (Although
> there are always exceptions.) And since povray.off-topic is the only
> "colleagues" I have, asking here is only going to give me "dude, GIYF!"
> Books are similarly hit-and-miss, but I'm sure there's some good ones
> out there. The tricky part is finding them. ;-)
That's what libraries are for. ;-)
Jim
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:16:50 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>>> Ugly, isn't it?
>>
>> Rather retro, actually.
>
> I just got home, clicked it to remind myself what it looks like, and
> GAH! >_< Did I really waste 2 hours making this? It's awful! :-S
>
> Must try harder...
>
> (Still, just making the vertical colour gradiant is painful when you
> have to type in all the RGB values by hand, trying to guess what might
> look nice.)
Most people also learn by failing at things - Van Gogh didn't create
masterpieces the first time he put a brush to canvas.....
Jim
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