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From: scott
Subject: Re: When B, A
Date: 17 Mar 2010 04:07:14
Message: <4ba08db2$1@news.povray.org>
> You mean other languages use inflections to distinguish intended meanings?

Yes, and often you can then use the word order to convey which part you want 
to emphasise rather than the actual meaning.  This means there is less need 
for vocal emphasis on words to indicate importance (as you need in English).


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: When B, A
Date: 17 Mar 2010 05:13:59
Message: <4ba09d57$1@news.povray.org>
Captain Jack wrote:

> "Let's eat, Grandpa!"
> "Let's eat Grandpa!"
> 
> Not just good grammar, punctuation saves lives...

lolrus!

I've received too many emails and read too many documents with incorrect 
punctuation. :-P


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From: Phil Cook v2
Subject: Re: When B, A
Date: 17 Mar 2010 10:37:55
Message: <op.u9puxrigmn4jds@phils>
And lo On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:21:01 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake thusly:

>   I noticed something funny about the English language (might be similar
> with many other languages as well):
>
>   Most sentences of the form "A when B" can be changed to "when B, A" and
> it will still be a valid sentece and the meaning won't change. For  
> example:
>
>   "Tom panicked when he heard the news."
>   "When he heard the news, Tom panicked."

Yes a subordinate clause can be used either before or after a main clause,  
you just separate them with a comma if you start with the subordinate  
clause.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: When B, A
Date: 17 Mar 2010 10:40:56
Message: <4ba0e9f8$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> You mean other languages use inflections to distinguish intended 
>> meanings?
> 
> Yes, and often you can then use the word order to convey which part you 
> want to emphasise rather than the actual meaning.  This means there is 
> less need for vocal emphasis on words to indicate importance (as you 
> need in English).

Yep. The "passive voice" is often used to emphasize some result without 
saying anything about the person achieving the result. Like, "the server 
will be configured to ..." rather than "John will configure the server to..."

Funny enough, MS Word's grammar checker complains about this construct, in 
spite of it being *very* common in business documents.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The question in today's corporate environment is not
   so much "what color is your parachute?" as it is
   "what color is your nose?"


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