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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 08:30:55
Message: <4b72b50f$1@news.povray.org>
>> A door isn't nearly as heavy as a person.
> 
> Some of the ones we had offshore weighed half a ton.

Short or long?


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 08:41:33
Message: <4b72b78d$1@news.povray.org>
> Mass rises as the cube of size, but muscle power rises as the square of 
> size.

I would have thought the strength of a muscle depends on its volume, why do 
you say is rises with the square of size?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 08:45:57
Message: <4b72b895@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> Mass rises as the cube of size, but muscle power rises as the square 
>> of size.
> 
> I would have thought the strength of a muscle depends on its volume, why 
> do you say is rises with the square of size?

Muscle power is [apparently] proportional to cross-section area, not volume.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 09:00:07
Message: <4b72bbe7$1@news.povray.org>
>>> Mass rises as the cube of size, but muscle power rises as the square of 
>>> size.
>>
>> I would have thought the strength of a muscle depends on its volume, why 
>> do you say is rises with the square of size?
>
> Muscle power is [apparently] proportional to cross-section area, not 
> volume.

I guess that makes sense if you assume each cell in the muscle fibre can 
only exert a certain force, a chain of them can still only exert that same 
force no matter how long it is.  It's having more fibres in parallel that 
help to increase the force.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 09:07:29
Message: <4b72bda1$1@news.povray.org>
>> Muscle power is [apparently] proportional to cross-section area, not 
>> volume.
> 
> I guess that makes sense if you assume each cell in the muscle fibre can 
> only exert a certain force, a chain of them can still only exert that 
> same force no matter how long it is.  It's having more fibres in 
> parallel that help to increase the force.

Precisely.

Also of note is that [apparently] if all the fibers were to contract 
simultaneously, the muscle would be ripped from the bone (assuming 
there's any load on it). Apparently the fibers are actually programmed 
to twitch a few at a time, so that they have time to recover between 
contractions, while the muscle as a whole maintains constant force.

You know how when you try to lift something too heavy and you start 
shaking? That's apparently because there aren't enough fibers fiting at 
once...


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 10:01:30
Message: <4b72ca4a$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible a écrit :
>>> Not obese, no. Also not fit. My arms contain very little muscle, and
>>> attempting to lift 100 Kg using only my arms operating in an unusual
>>
>> Then don't lift your body; push the earth down.
> 
> Mass of the Earth = 5.9742 × 10^24 Kg o_O

That's nothing, but the guys at the antipods are giving you some trouble
(as they push down too... to your side!)

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 10:57:59
Message: <4b72d787$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>> A door isn't nearly as heavy as a person.
>>
>> Some of the ones we had offshore weighed half a ton.
> 
> Short or long?

About half a ton.

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	Stephen


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From: Tom Austin
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 11:27:56
Message: <4b72de8c$1@news.povray.org>
On 2/9/2010 9:49 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>> I meant more that I wouldn't have expected to be able to just
>>> completely disregard 3/4 the weight of the object just because I'm
>>> only looking at one wheel.
>>
>> Why not? Try doing some one-handed push-ups and see if they are not
>> harder to do than two-handed ones.
>
> When I become able to do two-handed push-ups, I'll let you know. ;-)
>
>>>>> So... what the hell is the thickness of a tin can then?
>>>> 0.2 mm or thereabouts.
>>>
>>> ...my God. You can make metal that thin?? o_O
>>
>> Surely you are joking.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_foil
>
> Damn. I thought that stuff was plastic with a metal-powder coating...


You ever try to stand on an empty coke can?

Just set it on level ground and place your foot on it.  Then gently 
shift all your weight to that foot without losing you balance.  The can 
should be able to hold you up.  It might take a few tries.

Then when on the can, tap the side with your other foot.  The can will 
flatten nicely.


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 10 Feb 2010 23:22:22
Message: <4b7385fe$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:4b728aed$1@news.povray.org...

> >> Not obese, no. Also not fit. My arms contain very little muscle, and
> >> attempting to lift 100 Kg using only my arms operating in an unusual

> > Then don't lift your body; push the earth down.



Makes failure feel a little better, no?


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Strength
Date: 11 Feb 2010 02:59:00
Message: <4b73b8c4$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Just how strong is steel? I mean, obviously it varies by type, but how 
> much load can you typically put on steel without bending/shattering it?

Strong enough to hold up hundreds of floors above it when used in buildings.

I think a piddly little car won't give it too much trouble ;)

...Chambers


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