Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolDOTcom> wrote:
>> Bill Pragnell wrote:
>>> (excusable? no. common? yes. ;-)
>>>
>> He're he're ;)
> 
> Argh, the pain! Must... suppress... pedantry...
> 
> 

:) LOL

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andrel wrote:
> On 21-12-2009 23:31, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> andrel wrote:
>>
>>> I am pretty sure he does pronounce them the same, otherwise he would 
>>> not make that mistake.
>>
>> Indeed, the pronunciation is pretty similar.
>>
>> Much like the way every known human pronounces "flower" and "flour" 
>> identically.
> 
> So, am I not human or am I not known? 

He missed out too posh and Dutch ;)

> I do pronounce them differently. 
> flower is a clear 2 syllable word whereas flour is almost a one syllable 
> word for me. Subtle but definitely not identical.

I would only consciously pronounce them differently if any confusion 


> Or do you mean that I pronounce the Dutch words for flower (bloem) and 
> flour (bloem) the same? Because that is indeed the case.
> 

LOL

> 
>> On the other hand, I frequently get "make" and "made" mixed up, for an 
>> entirely different reason. :-/
>>
>> Basically I suck at writing...
> 
> Nothing a good editor would not catch. I have a different problem: the 
> good editor catches nothing.
> 

You are that good? :)

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> If you think that's weird, I can play the Widor Toccata despite not
> remembering what the notes are...

I was just about to make that same observation about my piano playing.  Ever
looked at your hands while playing?  They look and feel like alive critters,
detached from yourself, executing their own, obscure jig.

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Much like the way every known human pronounces "flower" and "flour"
> identically.

I thought flour was more like floor. :)

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:14:41 +0200, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Much like the way every known human pronounces "flower" and "flour"
>> identically.
>
> I thought flour was more like floor. :)
>

I hear English teachers are in big demand in your country :)

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"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:14:41 +0200, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
> > Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Much like the way every known human pronounces "flower" and "flour"
> >> identically.
> >
> > I thought flour was more like floor. :)
> >
>
> I hear English teachers are in big demand in your country :)

That's a side effect of almost pure writting skills with no oral practice.

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion.  But I'll give those who are 
> actually handicapped taking something like the premise behind this film a 
> bit more credence when they stand out and say that the premise of the 
> film is flawed because it makes the *assumption* (and therein lies the 
> problem) that all people who are handicapped *want* to be "made whole" 
> and feel inferior to fully-abled people.
> 
> The message that is being received by some in that community is "if 
> you're handicapped, you're not a whole person" - and if I were 
> handicapped, I'd find that suggestion offensive as well.
> 
> Jim

My point though is, that may be the "percieved" message to some people, 
not what is at all intended. As with Warps example of the deaf kid, you 
can get people who just flat out can't see past their own position on a 
matter, and presume that there is a message that isn't there. Mind, I 
still haven't seen it yet, so can't say for sure, but neither have the 
people **making** the claim. As such I am highly skeptical that this is 
an accurate portrayal of what the film intends, never mind does, 
suggest, except in the minds of someone over sensitive of the issue. It 
sounds too much like the ridiculous gibberish you got from the barely 
recognizable adaption of "The Golden Compass", by just about everyone 
with some sort of imaginary chip on their shoulder, none of whom had 
read the book, and all of whom thought they could pronounce about the 
content of a movie that wasn't even showing in theaters yet, based on 
what they *imagined* the book said, sight unseen.

In other words, I have seen, and too often now expect, reactionary 
behavior, not clear arguments, from people that have no way of knowing, 
since they couldn't have possibly seen anything suggesting what they 
claim, and refuse to see the movie, so don't know what it actually does 
say/suggest. People do irrational things when they *think* something is 
attacking something they care about, and they will often do so in the 
complete absence of information. And, unfortunately, some people make 
the "disabled community", and their particular hangups on some things, 
almost religious in intensity and reactionary behavior.

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nemesis wrote:

> I was just about to make that same observation about my piano playing.  Ever
> looked at your hands while playing?  They look and feel like alive critters,
> detached from yourself, executing their own, obscure jig.

More importantly, get stuck half way through and you now have a problem, 
since you remember where to move your fingers to next, but not where 
they're supposed to start from. o_O

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:25:03 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>  You're legs remember how to walk

Until you break one, anyways.

Jim

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:17:01 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:

> My point though is, that may be the "percieved" message to some people,
> not what is at all intended. 

That's the problem in a lot of cases - it's not intended, it's not 
thought about at all, though it should be.

> As with Warps example of the deaf kid, you
> can get people who just flat out can't see past their own position on a
> matter, and presume that there is a message that isn't there. 

Most people can't see past their own position.  Or are unwilling to, 
because removing yourself from your own frame of reference requires 
effort and a willingness to say "I might be wrong about this".  People 
are generally stubborn about things like this and reject a view that 
isn't their own because it isn't their own - and we all know that our own 
views are the only thing that matters, right?

> Mind, I
> still haven't seen it yet, so can't say for sure, but neither have the
> people **making** the claim. As such I am highly skeptical that this is
> an accurate portrayal of what the film intends, never mind does,
> suggest, except in the minds of someone over sensitive of the issue. It
> sounds too much like the ridiculous gibberish you got from the barely
> recognizable adaption of "The Golden Compass", by just about everyone
> with some sort of imaginary chip on their shoulder, none of whom had
> read the book, and all of whom thought they could pronounce about the
> content of a movie that wasn't even showing in theaters yet, based on
> what they *imagined* the book said, sight unseen.

Well, yeah, that's also why I'm reserving judgment, because you can't 
base an opinion about a film on what's in a 3-minute trailer.

Jim

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