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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 23 Nov 2009 19:45:31
Message: <4b0b2cab$1@news.povray.org>
On 11/23/09 12:15, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> http://www.xkcd.com/619/
>
> Full-screen flash video support has been around for a while.

	Not really on Linux. It eats up the CPU, and doesn't seem to utilize 
many capabilities of the graphics card - which the Windows plugins do.

-- 
"Graphic Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment."


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 23 Nov 2009 22:38:08
Message: <4b0b5520$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:44:49 -0600, Neeum Zawan wrote:

> On 11/23/09 12:15, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> http://www.xkcd.com/619/
>>
>> Full-screen flash video support has been around for a while.
> 
> 	Not really on Linux. It eats up the CPU, and doesn't seem to 
utilize
> many capabilities of the graphics card - which the Windows plugins do.

I use it quite frequently, and while it does suck CPU, it does run full 
screen, which is what the claim there was....

"Works for me"....

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 24 Nov 2009 04:23:41
Message: <4b0ba61d$1@news.povray.org>
>> Windows, on the other hand, has always been designed around the idea 
>> that the user doesn't know anything about computers and needs to be 
>> shielded from anything more complicated than a lightswitch. Which is 
>> sometimes quite frustrating, in a different way...
> 
> What that really means is that there are GUIs for all the n00b-level 
> options and if there isn't, the Windows n00b will have to mess around 
> with the arcane registry or RTFM for the first time in his life.

The things that require you to touch the registry are so arcane that 
your average n00b wouldn't even comprehend what you're talking about. 
Stuff like changing the network MTU, or the order in which IRQs are 
assigned to PnP devices, or other such obscure stuff like that.

Usually the challenge is just figuring out which sub-sub-menu M$ has 
hidden the setting you want under. (Or just which combination of options 
makes the program behave correctly.)

> I like configuration files better than GUIs for no other reason that I 
> can simply grep it for whatever I'm looking for or remotely related -- 
> direct to the point.

I'd be surprised if that actually works.

The option you want to change might be at default, and thus there's no 
entry for it in the config file. It might have a highly non-obvious 
name. Or it might be configured from a totally different file. (E.g., 
there is [presumably] a file somewhere which configures your network 
interfaces. But the DNS configuration is in an entirely unrelated file.)

> In GUIs I have to go through a multitude of 
> recursive menus or tabs hidden well underneath other options etc...

M$ does have an annoying habit of hiding absolutely every configuration 
setting under an "advanced" tab...


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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 24 Nov 2009 10:25:29
Message: <4b0bfae9$1@news.povray.org>
On 11/23/09 21:38, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> http://www.xkcd.com/619/
>>> Full-screen flash video support has been around for a while.
>> 	Not really on Linux. It eats up the CPU, and doesn't seem to
> utilize
>> many capabilities of the graphics card - which the Windows plugins do.
>
> I use it quite frequently, and while it does suck CPU, it does run full
> screen, which is what the claim there was....
>
> "Works for me"....

	Ah. You have a fast CPU.

	It's like saying "X works", when you don't have 3-D working. A major 
"feature" of the plugin fails to work. From my perspective, that means 
it *doesn't* work.

	Anyway, on many computers, including mine, playing HD videos full 
screen on Flash gets jerky. CPU can't handle it, and the CPU isn't 
supposed to handle it - the video card is.

-- 
"Graphic Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 24 Nov 2009 11:27:08
Message: <4b0c095c$1@news.povray.org>
Neeum Zawan wrote:
>     It's like saying "X works", when you don't have 3-D working. A major 
> "feature" of the plugin fails to work. From my perspective, that means 
> it *doesn't* work.

I have this persistent problem with my co-workers. Everyone was telling me 
"yes, that works" and I'm saying "I'm getting no output" and they mean "it 
compiled without errors."  Sheesh.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
     with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
   I want that for a ring tone.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 24 Nov 2009 11:29:12
Message: <4b0c09d8$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> But the DNS configuration is in an entirely unrelated file.)

In particular, in a file that says nothing about DNS in the name or 
contents. And even if you knew it was called the "resolver", they spell the 
name of the configuration file *wrong*, so you can't even find it with 'find'.

> M$ does have an annoying habit of hiding absolutely every configuration 
> setting under an "advanced" tab...

Only the advanced ones you shouldn't screw with without knowing what you're 
doing. :-)

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
     with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
   I want that for a ring tone.


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 24 Nov 2009 13:41:31
Message: <4b0c28db$1@news.povray.org>
Neeum Zawan wrote:
> 
>     Not really on Linux. It eats up the CPU, and doesn't seem to utilize
> many capabilities of the graphics card - which the Windows plugins do.
> 

The Linux Flash is still a crappy piece of shit. It's a resource hog and
still it's amazingly stupid (eg. won't handle second soundcard, even
though it supports ALSA).

-Aero


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 24 Nov 2009 14:06:16
Message: <4b0c2ea8@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> Neeum Zawan wrote:
> > 
> >     Not really on Linux. It eats up the CPU, and doesn't seem to utilize
> > many capabilities of the graphics card - which the Windows plugins do.
> > 

> The Linux Flash is still a crappy piece of shit. It's a resource hog and
> still it's amazingly stupid (eg. won't handle second soundcard, even
> though it supports ALSA).

  Hardly Linux's own fault given that Flash is, at least in principle,
a proprietary format owned by Adobe, who also makes the Linux Flash plugin.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 24 Nov 2009 14:27:51
Message: <4b0c33b7@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> 
>   Hardly Linux's own fault given that Flash is, at least in principle,
> a proprietary format owned by Adobe, who also makes the Linux Flash plugin.
> 

I fully agree, the fault is on Adobe, which doesn't seem to be keen to
allocate resources to get the freaking thing to work. But still it's the
Linux version that's ultimately crappy, AFAIK Windows-Flash works much
better.

-Aero


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Modern Linux desktops suck
Date: 24 Nov 2009 15:16:16
Message: <4b0c3f10@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > 
> >   Hardly Linux's own fault given that Flash is, at least in principle,
> > a proprietary format owned by Adobe, who also makes the Linux Flash plugin.
> > 

> I fully agree, the fault is on Adobe, which doesn't seem to be keen to
> allocate resources to get the freaking thing to work. But still it's the
> Linux version that's ultimately crappy, AFAIK Windows-Flash works much
> better.

  But you can't blame Linux for that.

  OTOH the current plugin can be used for basically any Flash app out
there, so it's better than nothing.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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