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From: Darren New
Subject: English is rough
Date: 16 Oct 2009 18:04:29
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http://phd.pp.ru/Texts/fun/english-poem.txt

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: English is rough
Date: 16 Oct 2009 18:40:01
Message: <web.4ad8f613d019e8c84fa0e6c80@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> http://phd.pp.ru/Texts/fun/english-poem.txt

Genius. One or two of the couplets don't seem to rhyme properly - I wonder if
that's not deliberate, or perhaps dependent on personal accent!

I can indeed see this being murder for non-native, and challenging for most
native English speakers...


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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: English is rough
Date: 16 Oct 2009 23:07:07
Message: <4ad934db$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> http://phd.pp.ru/Texts/fun/english-poem.txt
> 
> Genius. One or two of the couplets don't seem to rhyme properly - I wonder if
> that's not deliberate, or perhaps dependent on personal accent!
> 
> I can indeed see this being murder for non-native, and challenging for most
> native English speakers...
> 
> 

I got stuck on a few homographs, and speed reading caught me a few
times. Then I got to ". . . Four . . . Arkansas".

I can not make those rhyme without butchering one or the other. Either
Ar-ken-saw becomes Ar-kens-ur, or Four becomes Fou. Maybe there is a
homograph of 'four' that I am missing? Or maybe I just need a proper
Queen's English accent to get that one.


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From: TC
Subject: And here a youtube version for foreigners like me...
Date: 16 Oct 2009 23:10:01
Message: <4ad93589$1@news.povray.org>
After trying to get my tongue untangled,

(which out of my mouth now dangled),

On to YouTube did I hie,

And behold, there did espy:

A young maiden, bright and fair,

With golden shimmer in her hair,

Undauntedly she offered battle,

Against the poem she'd test her mettle,

And victorious she has been,

A true pronunciation queen.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1spqX4sIDo


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: English is rough
Date: 17 Oct 2009 02:41:50
Message: <4ad9672e$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> http://phd.pp.ru/Texts/fun/english-poem.txt

Words therein with which I'm not familiar:
sward, ague, Terpsichore, Balmoral, chalet(? might've seen it), 
clangour, query doesn't rhyme with very? thought it did, Foeffer, (not 
sure what a chaise is), aver, ere is right e'er, groats

(I used to think lichen was pronounced with ch as in chop when I was a 
wee lad)

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: English is rough
Date: 17 Oct 2009 03:54:26
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"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message 
news:4ad9672e$1@news.povray.org...
> Darren New wrote:
>> http://phd.pp.ru/Texts/fun/english-poem.txt
>
> Words therein with which I'm not familiar:
> sward, ague, Terpsichore, Balmoral, chalet(? might've seen it), clangour, 
> query doesn't rhyme with very? thought it did, Foeffer, (not sure what a 
> chaise is), aver, ere is right e'er, groats
>
> (I used to think lichen was pronounced with ch as in chop when I was a wee 
> lad)
>

That’s the “Trouble with Lichen” ;)

-- 

Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: English is rough
Date: 17 Oct 2009 04:26:13
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"Sabrina Kilian" <ski### [at] vtedu> wrote in message 
news:4ad934db$1@news.povray.org...

> I can not make those rhyme without butchering one or the other. Either
> Ar-ken-saw becomes Ar-kens-ur, or Four becomes Fou. Maybe there is a
> homograph of 'four' that I am missing? Or maybe I just need a proper
> Queen's English accent to get that one.

As Bill said it depends on personal accent and I'll add regional and class 
(there I go again :) to that.
Four and Ar-ken-saw do rhyme if you use a posh RP (Received Pronunciation) 
English accent (fou-ar and saw-ar).

The girl reading the poem in TC's post did really well IMO.

-- 

Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: English is rough
Date: 17 Oct 2009 07:51:40
Message: <4ad9afcc$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> http://phd.pp.ru/Texts/fun/english-poem.txt
> 
> Words therein with which I'm not familiar:
> sward, ague, Terpsichore, Balmoral, chalet(? might've seen it),
> clangour, query doesn't rhyme with very? thought it did, Foeffer, (not
> sure what a chaise is), aver, ere is right e'er, groats
> 
> (I used to think lichen was pronounced with ch as in chop when I was a
> wee lad)
> 
> -- 
> Tim Cook
> http://empyrean.freesitespace.net

...and to add a couple of names
Cholmondely - pron. Chumley
Featherstonehaugh - pron. Fanshaw

I'm sure Stephen could add a host of Scottish novelties

John
-- 
"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei


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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: English is rough
Date: 17 Oct 2009 08:05:39
Message: <4ad9b313$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> "Sabrina Kilian" <ski### [at] vtedu> wrote in message
> news:4ad934db$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>> I can not make those rhyme without butchering one or the other. Either
>> Ar-ken-saw becomes Ar-kens-ur, or Four becomes Fou. Maybe there is a
>> homograph of 'four' that I am missing? Or maybe I just need a proper
>> Queen's English accent to get that one.
> 
> As Bill said it depends on personal accent and I'll add regional and
> class (there I go again :) to that.
> Four and Ar-ken-saw do rhyme if you use a posh RP (Received
> Pronunciation) English accent (fou-ar and saw-ar).
> 
> The girl reading the poem in TC's post did really well IMO.
> 

Indeed she does. But I was not reading it in my 'deer ol Virginya home'
accent, I tend to slip in to that one only on rare occasion. Still, I
guess my RP accent is lacking what finishing touches I should have
received in finishing school, as I have never heard "four" pronounced in
two syllables.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: English is rough
Date: 17 Oct 2009 08:06:25
Message: <4ad9b341@news.povray.org>
Doctor John wrote:

> ....and to add a couple of names
> Cholmondely - pron. Chumley
> Featherstonehaugh - pron. Fanshaw
> 
> I'm sure Stephen could add a host of Scottish novelties
> 
> John

No really John, Scots is written the way it sounds.
But it is the sounds…

For those outside the UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8308288.stm


-- 

Awrabest,
	Stevie


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