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On 8-10-2009 10:00, scott wrote:
>>> In the end I just gave up, the groups I frequented died out as people
>>> moved
>>> to web-based forums
>>
>> Why do people do that?
>
> I think they are better for many reasons:
> 1) You don't need access to a usenet server
> 2) No spam, or very little spam that usually gets deleted
> 3) They are usually way better organised into sub- and sub-sub-forums,
> rather than just a huge list of threads
> 4) Moderators often move, merge or delete threads that are put in the
> wrong place, or ask already-asked questions. This makes
> searching/browsing much easier
> 5) On some forums moderators often change the subject line to make
> searching easier, obviously this makes searching easier
> 6) "Sticky" threads always appear at the top of the list with things
> like the FAQ and anything else related to the subject
> 7) Many other useful functions like chatting/messaging directly with
> another user, seeing how many posts they've made, seeing how many people
> have read your post, etc.
> 8) More flexibility in presentation of posts, eg including images in
> certain places, text effects etc
> 9) Everyone gets the same experience by default, none of this "oh you
> need to turn on monospace fonts" or "don't top post you idiot" or "this
> is NOT a binary group" or "fix your line-wrap" or "DO NOT USE HTML" or
> "don't quote his entire post and add one word to the end" from all the
> net nannies that patrol every usenet group.
Does the fact that some usenet groups are used to exchange illegal
downloads also play a role?
Still wondering if this trend means that at some point nntp support is
stripped from mail browsers like Thunderbird and what that would mean to
this forum. I know there is a web interface, but I find NNTP much more
convenient.
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:20:56 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Not saying it doesn't happen, but that "dozens of times" out of
>> "millions of messages" is statistically small.
>
> Maybe it's the kind of questions I ask. And I don't really surf forums
> like I surf newsgroups. It's just too annoying of an interface, so I
> only ever google.
Same here, but I moderate over in the openSUSE forums, so I have an
understanding of how the moderation in such forums is done. :-)
Jim
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news:4ace104d@news.povray.org...
> I didn't ask why ISPs are dropping support. I asked why people are moving
> from a more versatile medium to a more restricted one.
Because usenet forums lack the basic community-oriented features that
internet users have come to appreciate. Web forums support features such as
user profiles (pics/avatars, personal galleries, links to other on-line
communities), karma/favorite/quality systems, community IM/chat, user
hierarchies, user monitoring, sticky posts, polls, tags etc. The ability to
post in BBcode is a plus too.
G.
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:29:05 +0200, "Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] gmail com>
wrote:
> Web forums support features such as user profiles (pics/avatars,
Can you imagine the fun avatars would be here? :-)
--
Regards
Stephen
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andrel wrote:
> Does the fact that some usenet groups are used to exchange illegal
> downloads also play a role?
Yes. That's basically what killed the newsgroups at the ISPs. The fact that
their users expected them to carry hundreds of gigabytes of ripped blu-ray
DVDs on a medium designed for text messages.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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On 10/08/09 15:34, Stephen wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:29:05 +0200, "Gilles Tran"<gil### [at] gmailcom>
> wrote:
>
>> Web forums support features such as user profiles (pics/avatars,
>
> Can you imagine the fun avatars would be here? :-)
If they're not raytraced, you will be booted from the newsgroups...
--
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On 10/08/09 11:22, Warp wrote:
> clipka<ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>> There's also some benefit to it, too: You don't need different
>> /software/ to access it. All you need is your web browser.
>
> Not much help, given that most forums are rather different from other
> forums, so there really isn't so much difference from using different
> programs.
Most web forums are easier to "learn" than most newsgroup readers.
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On 10/08/09 03:00, scott wrote:
> 3) They are usually way better organised into sub- and sub-sub-forums,
> rather than just a huge list of threads
Newsgroups let you do that. You can subcategorize.
And reading threads using a newsreader is much easier than on any web
site I've seen except perhaps Reddit.
> 8) More flexibility in presentation of posts, eg including images in
> certain places, text effects etc
> 9) Everyone gets the same experience by default, none of this "oh you
> need to turn on monospace fonts" or "don't top post you idiot" or "this
> is NOT a binary group" or "fix your line-wrap" or "DO NOT USE HTML" or
> "don't quote his entire post and add one word to the end" from all the
> net nannies that patrol every usenet group.
Google Wave to the rescue?
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On 10/08/09 11:16, Warp wrote:
> I didn't ask why ISPs are dropping support. I asked why people are moving
> from a more versatile medium to a more restricted one.
Beyond the reasons I mentioned elsewhere, there's the simple reason
that most can't figure out how newsgroups work (i.e. getting a
newsreader, etc). While registering for forums is cumbersome, the steps
are straightforward.
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:17:23 -0500, Neeum Zawan <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
>On 10/08/09 15:34, Stephen wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:29:05 +0200, "Gilles Tran"<gil### [at] gmailcom>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Web forums support features such as user profiles (pics/avatars,
>>
>> Can you imagine the fun avatars would be here? :-)
>
> If they're not raytraced, you will be booted from the newsgroups...
Quite right! Pall.
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Regards
Stephen
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