On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:32:57 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> 
>> I call BS.  :-)
>> 
>> They're immediately branded "terrorists" by people too lazy (or dumb)
>> to know the difference between extremists and mainstream Muslims.
>> 
>> 
> My wife had a very long argument with someone who considered all Muslims
> terrorists. It does happen, unfortunately.

I think that falls in my "lazy (or dumb)" category....I wasn't saying it 
didn't happen, but that there are people who don't actually apply their 
brain or attempt to understand that there are differences in the Muslim 
world that are as varied (if not more so) than the differences between, 
say, a Lutheran and Pat Robertson's particular brand of Christianity.  
(And yes, I do consider PR to be an "extremist").

Jim

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Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com> wrote:
> My wife had a very long argument with someone who considered all Muslims 
> terrorists. It does happen, unfortunately.

  The opposite happens too (although this claim is often considered
politically incorrect, islamophobic, if not even "racist"). In other
words, details of Islam and islamic cultures are often greatly downplayed
and wrongly attributed to only "very small extremist minorities". And this
regardless of all the widely published news about inhuman treatment of
people by islamic governments and officials in many countries.

  IMO downplaying these things is an insult to the victims of this inhuman
treatment.

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:37:24 -0400, Warp wrote:

>   IMO downplaying these things is an insult to the victims of this
>   inhuman
> treatment.

I can't dispute that, very good point, Warp.

It's amazing what the "civilised" world will put up with in the name of 
oil/products/"stuff".

Jim

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Warp wrote:
> details of Islam and islamic cultures are often greatly downplayed
> and wrongly attributed to only "very small extremist minorities". 

I think the same is true of most religions based on proselytizing, including 
christianity. "Oh, very few christians worry about gays."  "Yes, but most of 
them voted to treat them as subhuman and take away their rights, didn't they?"

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Warp wrote:
> Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My wife had a very long argument with someone who considered all Muslims 
>> terrorists. It does happen, unfortunately.
> 
>   The opposite happens too (although this claim is often considered
> politically incorrect, islamophobic, if not even "racist"). In other
> words, details of Islam and islamic cultures are often greatly downplayed
> and wrongly attributed to only "very small extremist minorities". And this
> regardless of all the widely published news about inhuman treatment of
> people by islamic governments and officials in many countries.
> 
>   IMO downplaying these things is an insult to the victims of this inhuman
> treatment.
> 
We still have some states that consider rape inside a marriage to be a 
"lesser" crime than rape of someone outside it, and there where still 
states that didn't even *class* it as rape, until 1993. Britain is 
slightly more progressive, they outlawed it in 1991. There is now a case 
in the Bahamas where they are trying to make it illegal, and the same 
objections come up, "But the Bible says we are now of one flesh. How can 
you rape yourself!", and variations there of.

Yes, its a small minority in the ME that are mad enough to promote 
terrorism. There are many more willing to follow them, but who wouldn't, 
if those people had less power, and a much larger number that, like in 
the US when it comes to so called "domestic disputes", are willing to 
allow that there is some "special case" in place, when it comes to 
certain actions, and they therefor won't actively 
appose/challenge/prevent them.

So, no, its not as small a minority doing the terror acts as some claim, 
but it is still a small number pushing it as a solution, and, much like 
in most social problems, like the similar "war on drugs", its not the 
people buying it, or the ones selling it on the street, but the ones 
shipping and manufacturing it that are the *key* problem. Without them, 
terrorism would be reduced to a few groups of kooks, that are more 
likely to get themselves arrested, than successfully pull anything off, 
or a scattering of Timothy McVay style "lone gunman" types, that can't 
give up the idea.

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Darren New wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>> details of Islam and islamic cultures are often greatly downplayed
>> and wrongly attributed to only "very small extremist minorities". 
> 
> I think the same is true of most religions based on proselytizing, 
> including christianity. "Oh, very few christians worry about gays."  
> "Yes, but most of them voted to treat them as subhuman and take away 
> their rights, didn't they?"

Let's not exaggerate.

Regards,
John

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John VanSickle wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Warp wrote:
>>> details of Islam and islamic cultures are often greatly downplayed
>>> and wrongly attributed to only "very small extremist minorities". 
>>
>> I think the same is true of most religions based on proselytizing, 
>> including christianity. "Oh, very few christians worry about gays."  
>> "Yes, but most of them voted to treat them as subhuman and take away 
>> their rights, didn't they?"
> 
> Let's not exaggerate.

In what way is that an exageration?

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Darren New wrote:
> John VanSickle wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> Warp wrote:
>>>> details of Islam and islamic cultures are often greatly downplayed
>>>> and wrongly attributed to only "very small extremist minorities". 
>>>
>>> I think the same is true of most religions based on proselytizing, 
>>> including christianity. "Oh, very few christians worry about gays."  
>>> "Yes, but most of them voted to treat them as subhuman and take away 
>>> their rights, didn't they?"
>>
>> Let's not exaggerate.
> 
> In what way is that an exageration?

What rights were taken away as a result of whatever vote you are 
referencing?

Regards,
John

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John VanSickle wrote:
> What rights were taken away as a result of whatever vote you are 
> referencing?

The right to get married, and all the other rights (visitation, adoption, 
etc) that come with it.

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On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:36:29 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> John VanSickle wrote:
>> What rights were taken away as a result of whatever vote you are
>> referencing?
> 
> The right to get married, and all the other rights (visitation,
> adoption, etc) that come with it.

Yep, as a single person, someone who is gay can legally adopt in some 
states (got a friend here in Utah who is/was trying to, and she had to go 
to Oregon in order to file the paperwork), but not all.

But a straight single person - that's not a problem here in Utah.

Jim

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