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On 07/15/09 09:19, Warp wrote:
> John VanSickle<evi### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
>> What many find troublesome, however, is that 99% of black Americans who
>> voted did so for Obama, but the press made nothing of it. If 99% of
>> whites had voted for McCain, the press would be bawling about white
>> America's racism.
>
> IMO democracy is a failure when people don't vote for someone who has
> the same *political* opinions, but for other irrelevant reasons.
Unfortunately, democracy is not "self-correcting". There's nothing in
the framework of democracy to prevent or even discourage this.
In other words, it's not democracy gone wrong.
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Warp wrote:
> IMO democracy is a failure when people don't vote for someone who has
> the same *political* opinions, but for other irrelevant reasons.
It makes sense, if your top political concern is racism.
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John VanSickle wrote:
> Actually, it's the tribes themselves who set the rules on claims to
> anything tribal nowadays.
Now, yes. :-)
> The moral of the story: Greed is not genetic.
Or at least not racist. :-)
>> On the other hand, Americans wanted black slaves, so if you're even a
>> tiny bit black, you're "black".
>
> Since there were not a few non-whites who owned black slaves in the
> south [1] and since not all blacks in the south were slaves, it was not
> a simple case of black=slave.
Certainly. But it helped.
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On 15-7-2009 13:38, John VanSickle wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>
>> Or take Barack Obama, for instance. Many people say he is "the first
>> black president of the US". No he, isn't. He is exactly as much white as
>> he his black.
>
> Actually, his father was of mixed ancestry himself (part native Kenyan
> and part Arab), so Barack is more white than anything else.
Arabs are white?
> What many find troublesome, however, is that 99% of black Americans who
> voted did so for Obama, but the press made nothing of it.
I tried to find any statistics, but I couldn't find anything. Do you
have info that supports up this claim?
> If 99% of
> whites had voted for McCain, the press would be bawling about white
> America's racism.
I doubt it, but as it didn't happen...
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andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> On 15-7-2009 13:38, John VanSickle wrote:
> > Warp wrote:
> >
> >> Or take Barack Obama, for instance. Many people say he is "the first
> >> black president of the US". No he, isn't. He is exactly as much white as
> >> he his black.
> >
> > Actually, his father was of mixed ancestry himself (part native Kenyan
> > and part Arab), so Barack is more white than anything else.
> Arabs are white?
No, but the percentage of white inheritance is larger than any other
ethnicity.
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On 07/15/09 11:56, andrel wrote:
>> Actually, his father was of mixed ancestry himself (part native Kenyan
>> and part Arab), so Barack is more white than anything else.
>
> Arabs are white?
What Warp said.
But since you mentioned it, for census purposes, Arabs are counted as
whites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American
So that would make him 75% white?
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On 07/15/09 11:56, andrel wrote:
>> What many find troublesome, however, is that 99% of black Americans
>> who voted did so for Obama, but the press made nothing of it.
>
> I tried to find any statistics, but I couldn't find anything. Do you
> have info that supports up this claim?
99% is a stretch (although I didn't check for this election), but 90%
typically vote Democrat. I had once found a web site that had all kinds
of statistics, including breakdown by race/ethnicity, which confirmed
this all the way back to the 70's.
So in a sense, the huge figure is probably not that much related to
race as it is political affiliation. However, I believe exit polls
generally showed that race was a factor in this past election, and not
just for blacks, but also for whites. (They were explicitly asked if it
was a factor).
I saw this a while ago, and I suspect it may shed some light (I forget
the details):
http://www.ted.com/talks/nate_silver_on_race_and_politics.html
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On 07/15/09 13:22, Neeum Zawan wrote:
> I saw this a while ago, and I suspect it may shed some light (I forget
> the details):
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/nate_silver_on_race_and_politics.html
Looking at it again, it only discusses white racism influencing their
votes, and not black...
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On 15-7-2009 20:22, Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 07/15/09 11:56, andrel wrote:
>>> What many find troublesome, however, is that 99% of black Americans
>>> who voted did so for Obama, but the press made nothing of it.
>>
>> I tried to find any statistics, but I couldn't find anything. Do you
>> have info that supports up this claim?
>
> 99% is a stretch (although I didn't check for this election), but
> 90% typically vote Democrat. I had once found a web site that had all
> kinds of statistics, including breakdown by race/ethnicity, which
> confirmed this all the way back to the 70's.
I seem to remember much lower figures from the previous elections. Which
were probably more religion influenced than those before.
> So in a sense, the huge figure is probably not that much related to
> race as it is political affiliation.
or social status, which is correlated to race.
> However, I believe exit polls
> generally showed that race was a factor in this past election, and not
> just for blacks, but also for whites. (They were explicitly asked if it
> was a factor).
>
> I saw this a while ago, and I suspect it may shed some light (I
> forget the details):
>
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/nate_silver_on_race_and_politics.html
There are still people in favor of banning interracial marriages?
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On 15-7-2009 19:20, Warp wrote:
> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> On 15-7-2009 13:38, John VanSickle wrote:
>>> Warp wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or take Barack Obama, for instance. Many people say he is "the first
>>>> black president of the US". No he, isn't. He is exactly as much white as
>>>> he his black.
>>> Actually, his father was of mixed ancestry himself (part native Kenyan
>>> and part Arab), so Barack is more white than anything else.
>
>> Arabs are white?
>
> No, but the percentage of white inheritance is larger than any other
> ethnicity.
Ok, yes that is probably true.
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