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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 09:37:35
Message: <49b7be9f$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:49b7a362@news.povray.org...

> "Widescreen LCDs are easier to make."
>
> Um, WTF? Why would *that* be??

There's a hidden assumption, and I'd change easier to cheaper: Widescreen
LCDs are cheaper to make (for a given diagonal size & ppi, or for a given
diagonal size and horizontal resolution).


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 09:50:49
Message: <49b7c1b9$1@news.povray.org>
> There's a hidden assumption, and I'd change easier to cheaper: Widescreen
> LCDs are cheaper to make (for a given diagonal size & ppi, or for a given
> diagonal size and horizontal resolution).

I can make 100 20" monitors out of my single 24" monitor (ok the aspect 
ratio would be 1000:1 but, hey!) :-)


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 10:16:17
Message: <49b7c7b1$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> Hehe, we have an ESD gun here for doing exactly that test, hold it on 
> the screen or on one of the connectors and fire!  Usually it does what 
> you say at the higher voltages, blanks out until it can reset (customers 
> don't like seeing garbled random data on the screen while the drivers 
> try to reset).

I had a notebook computer that had a loose connection between the 
controller and the LCD. Every once in a while, you'd tilt the screen and 
get a very strange garbled display...

-- 
~Mike


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 10:30:01
Message: <web.49b7ca8f9e719b746dd25f0b0@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com> wrote:
> scott wrote:
> > Hehe, we have an ESD gun here for doing exactly that test, hold it on
> > the screen or on one of the connectors and fire!  Usually it does what
> > you say at the higher voltages, blanks out until it can reset (customers
> > don't like seeing garbled random data on the screen while the drivers
> > try to reset).
>
> I had a notebook computer that had a loose connection between the
> controller and the LCD. Every once in a while, you'd tilt the screen and
> get a very strange garbled display...

I knocked an entire can of beer onto my MacBook a couple of years ago. You
should see the interesting brightness pattern the screen now exhibits... :-\


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 10:38:38
Message: <l6jfr4dju3eqfvlbv4nm4csqo8rcrmulse@4ax.com>
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:13:48 -0500, Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>I had a notebook computer that had a loose connection between the 
>controller and the LCD. Every once in a while, you'd tilt the screen and 
>get a very strange garbled display...

Mine is like that ATM. It is still under warranty but I don't want to waste
rendering time sending it back for repair. 
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 10:51:25
Message: <49b7cfed$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> "Widescreen LCDs are easier to make."
>>
>> Um, WTF? Why would *that* be??
> 
> I can think of a few reasons, but none significant enough to actually 
> make a comment like that.  For the backlight it's better to have a 
> longer edge to inject the light, it's more efficient.  For the 
> electrical design having a longer edge to make connections is better, 
> plus having a shorter distance top to bottom makes the driver circuits 
> simpler (the left/right drivers just switch the pixel transistors 
> on/off, the top/bottom drivers actually send the data so are much more 
> sensitive to the capicitance and resistance in the lines).




WTF-O-Meter: 4.6

>> Also... I just touched my desk and got a static shock. (Like I always 
>> do, several times per day.) But this time, my LCD monitor went black 
>> for a second just as I got the shock. WTF?! o_O
> 
> Hehe, we have an ESD gun here for doing exactly that test, hold it on 
> the screen or on one of the connectors and fire!  Usually it does what 
> you say at the higher voltages, blanks out until it can reset (customers 
> don't like seeing garbled random data on the screen while the drivers 
> try to reset).

The part I can't figure out is... how is the monitor electrically 
connected to the metal beam on the underside of my desk? (The desk 
itself is wood. And the monitor housing is plastic.) So how the hell did 
the charge get into the LCD??


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 10:54:35
Message: <49b7d0ab$1@news.povray.org>
> Mine is like that ATM.

Hey, *I* am old enough to remember green-screen ATMs. :-P (Complete with 
"insert card" burned into the screen...)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 11:02:34
Message: <49b7d28a$1@news.povray.org>



Resolution, brightness, contrast, panel technology, etc?

Also, do you think they are just simply making more widescreen monitors now, 
so of course the price will be cheaper?

> The part I can't figure out is... how is the monitor electrically 
> connected to the metal beam on the underside of my desk? (The desk itself 
> is wood. And the monitor housing is plastic.) So how the hell did the 
> charge get into the LCD??

Charge doesn't only go through conductors, one of the tests we do is to 
apply a discharge to the plastic casing of the display and to the front 
surface (which is definitely not a conductor), it makes its way fine to the 
electronics :-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 11:04:44
Message: <49b7d30c$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:


> 
> Resolution, brightness, contrast, panel technology, etc?
> 
> Also, do you think they are just simply making more widescreen monitors 
> now, so of course the price will be cheaper?

Given that the lead time for one is 3-4 days and the other is 3-4 
*weeks*... I'm guessing this has far more to do with market forces than 
any technological difference in how "easy" it is to make 'em. ;-)

>> The part I can't figure out is... how is the monitor electrically 
>> connected to the metal beam on the underside of my desk? (The desk 
>> itself is wood. And the monitor housing is plastic.) So how the hell 
>> did the charge get into the LCD??
> 
> Charge doesn't only go through conductors, one of the tests we do is to 
> apply a discharge to the plastic casing of the display and to the front 
> surface (which is definitely not a conductor), it makes its way fine to 
> the electronics :-)

o_O

I guess if you apply a few thousand volts to something, life finds a way...

...wait...


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Wonderful Dell
Date: 11 Mar 2009 11:12:28
Message: <49b7d4dc$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>> Mine is like that ATM.
> 
> Hey, *I* am old enough to remember green-screen ATMs. :-P (Complete with 
> "insert card" burned into the screen...)

Oh, please .. I'm old enough to remember when credit cards had no 
magnetic stripe, and credit transactions required carbon paper. :-P

-- 
~Mike


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