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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoo povray org> wrote:
> I found this article after searching on the subject of an extension that had
> appeared in my Vista firefox install - one that I had not installed, nor been
> asked permission to install. I checked my work PC (XP) and it, also, had the
> extension. I'm surprised there's not more fireworks going off about this, as
> it's precisely the sort of thing that makes IE so much of a trundling disaster
> waiting for a place to happen.
>
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600
>
> Bonus: the extension installed by Microsoft has the 'uninstall' option disabled.
>
> -- Chris
Thanks for the warning! (I'm using Windows XP SP3 and Firefox 3.0.5--I don't
think I've yet downloaded the newest FF version.) I have Auto-Updates active
(but to 'show me first before installing'--I hope!)
I took a look at the website link, followed the instructions to find this
extension (looking at Tools/Add-Ons/Extensions in Firefox), and I didn't see
the extension there. In fact, there's nothing at all there. Looking under
Plugins, I didn't see it either, and all the plugins have an active 'disable'
button.
If I've followed the instructions correctly, I haven't yet been hit by this. But
I guess I can assume that this bizarre extension *will* be coming my way soon?
Ken W.
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Warning: Microsoft silently installing firefox extension
Date: 6 Mar 2009 16:37:03
Message: <49b1977f$1@news.povray.org>
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:42:25 +1100, Chris Cason wrote:
> I expect that the Windows Update and WGA terms allow Microsoft to do
> more or less whatever they like.
I dunno, mucking about with other companies' software? I would think
that there are parts of the world (particularly the EU) where that
wouldn't hold up.
Jim
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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Warning: Microsoft silently installing firefox extension
Date: 6 Mar 2009 17:19:33
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scott wrote:
> If I try the same without the MS FF extension installed, I just have to
> save the file somewhere (there is no "Run ClickOnce app" button) then run
> it (with a warning), then the ClickOnce app installs and runs.
Which is how Java WebStart apps work. You download a .jnlp file, which opens
with javaws.exe, and then downloads and runs the actual app. Firefox does
show "Open with Java WebStart" when you click the link (which it doesn't do
for .exe files).
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Warning: Microsoft silently installing firefox extension
Date: 6 Mar 2009 19:13:27
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I dunno, mucking about with other companies' software?
Installing an extension in a documented way is "mucking about with other
companie's software"?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
My fortune cookie said, "You will soon be
unable to read this, even at arm's length."
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Warning: Microsoft silently installing firefox extension
Date: 6 Mar 2009 20:11:42
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> > I dunno, mucking about with other companies' software?
> Installing an extension in a documented way is "mucking about with other
> companie's software"?
EU laws probably forbid the kind of action described here. "You
accepted our EULA" is not an excuse if the EULA in question is illegal.
--
- Warp
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Warning: Microsoft silently installing firefox extension
Date: 6 Mar 2009 22:36:57
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:13:23 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I dunno, mucking about with other companies' software?
>
> Installing an extension in a documented way is "mucking about with other
> companie's software"?
I was commenting on Chris' comment about Windows Update and WGA Terms
letting Microsoft do "more or less whatever they like".
Jim
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Warning: Microsoft silently installing firefox extension
Date: 7 Mar 2009 00:05:15
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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> I dunno, mucking about with other companies' software?
>
>> Installing an extension in a documented way is "mucking about with other
>> companie's software"?
>
> EU laws probably forbid the kind of action described here. "You
> accepted our EULA" is not an excuse if the EULA in question is illegal.
Um, OK. So how does a virus cleaner work with the EU laws?
I don't know about you, but I got told when MS was adding the extension to
firefox. Maybe I just didn't click thru the notices everyone else did, or
maybe they changed it by the time I installed it, or something.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
My fortune cookie said, "You will soon be
unable to read this, even at arm's length."
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Warning: Microsoft silently installing firefox extension
Date: 7 Mar 2009 06:29:00
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> > EU laws probably forbid the kind of action described here. "You
> > accepted our EULA" is not an excuse if the EULA in question is illegal.
> Um, OK. So how does a virus cleaner work with the EU laws?
You mean virus cleaners modify your system without asking?
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Warning: Microsoft silently installing firefox extension
Date: 7 Mar 2009 12:13:34
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Warp wrote:
> You mean virus cleaners modify your system without asking?
As much as installing any other software does, yes? Haven't you gotten
"Whoop whoop! Virus detected!" and then cleaned it?
How is "I'd like to install this software, which includes yidda yadda and
this firefox extension" now asking?
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
My fortune cookie said, "You will soon be
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Warning: Microsoft silently installing firefox extension
Date: 7 Mar 2009 15:19:16
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > You mean virus cleaners modify your system without asking?
> As much as installing any other software does, yes? Haven't you gotten
> "Whoop whoop! Virus detected!" and then cleaned it?
> How is "I'd like to install this software, which includes yidda yadda and
> this firefox extension" now asking?
So you are saying that the article at
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600 is lying when it says
"without asking your permission"?
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- Warp
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