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Mike Raiford wrote:
> Heh, very true. How did the idea "Hey, lets make this API available on
> an http service" get started anyway?
As far as I can tell, it began with Hotmail. "Hey, let's make it so you
can run your email program from anywhere! Because everybody has a web
browser." After that, all sorts of ways of raping HTTP and HTML were
invented...
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>
>> Heh, very true. How did the idea "Hey, lets make this API available on
>> an http service" get started anyway?
>
> As far as I can tell, it began with Hotmail.
Nah. The first big one I remember is "pointcast", which isn't around any
more, which goes to show. There were also a number of MMORPH-predecessors
that went with the "they can't play the game at work if we don't run it over
port 80." It was a particularly annoying meme, particularly because the
point of the firewall is to keep your application from running rampant
behind the firewall. It forced people to start making smarter and smarter
firewalls just to distinguish what you're doing, and then actually looking
into the body of data to see what kind of "I don't know what this is" that's
being served to tell if it's a virus or an inappropriate executable or just
some Sun java BS.
I wouldn't even say webmail is "raping" HTTP. Misusing it for full
application interfaces, perhaps, but at least you're actually transferring
hypertext. :-) But you need to already have ubiquitous web browsers before
you base an interface decision on the fact that everyone has web browsers.
My only annoyance with HTTP for full applications is that it was never
really intended for anything like that, and there were all kinds of much
better solutions already out there, but those better solutions required
people using them to actually learn something instead of hacking together a
half-assed product and throwing it out there, so we got stuff like we have
now instead of something usable.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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Darren New wrote:
> My only annoyance with HTTP for full applications is
> that it was never really intended for anything like that, and there were
> all kinds of much better solutions already out there, but those better
> solutions required people using them to actually learn something instead
> of hacking together a half-assed product and throwing it out there, so
> we got stuff like we have now instead of something usable.
Er, yeah. Exactly.
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 12-Jan-09 18:21, Darren New wrote:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> Not so sure about that, HTTP is used for lots of things nowadays, not
>> just browsing web pages. RSS Feeds, Client/Server applications, etc ..
>
> I'll go with "HTTP is the most misused app-level protocol." ;-)
>
> I suspect SMTP still outweighs it, tho. And of course telephone dwarfs
> internet as well.
>
Don't forget that even SMTP is nowadays often tunneled over HTTP to
circumvent the firewalls. ;)
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Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Perhaps you meant "the most used application-level protocol"? (Even them
> > I rather doubt it's correct. Surely SMTP dwarfs it...)
> Not so sure about that, HTTP is used for lots of things nowadays, not
> just browsing web pages. RSS Feeds, Client/Server applications, etc ..
But remember that 90% of SMTP traffic is spam. Take all the regular
SMTP traffic and multiply it by 10, and you might get a good figure of
how much the SMTP protocol is really used.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> But remember that 90% of SMTP traffic is spam. Take all the regular
> SMTP traffic and multiply it by 10, and you might get a good figure of
> how much the SMTP protocol is really used.
My point exactly.
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Darren New wrote:
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> It certainly was, by about 5:1, maybe 5 years ago.
>
> And in 1992 or so, the USA phone company's traffic on Mother's Day
> carried more bits than an entire year's worth of internet backbone traffic.
>
> Of course, stuff changes fast, with web mail and VoIP and cell phones
> and such, so it's hard to say how much that counts nowadays.
>
...and Youtube.
Seriously, video sharing has surely made a big traffic to the Internet
in the past 5 years. P2P is another one which surely has had a huge growth.
-Aero
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Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethis zbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> Seriously, video sharing has surely made a big traffic to the Internet
> in the past 5 years.
Btw, which protocol does youtube and other online video sharing apps
use, at the topmost level, to transfer the video material?
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
>
> Btw, which protocol does youtube and other online video sharing apps
> use, at the topmost level, to transfer the video material?
>
AFAIK the video from Youtube itself comes over HTTP (at least youtube-dl
leeches it over HTTP).
-Aero
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Seriously, video sharing has surely made a big traffic to the Internet
> in the past 5 years. P2P is another one which surely has had a huge growth.
True, true. It used to be people would post a kilobyte of text giving their
comments on something to a newsgroup. Now people post a five minute video of
them sitting in their bedroom reading their kilobyte of text out loud. Sheesh.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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