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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 16:31:07
Message: <4963cd9b$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:07:37 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> (Am I the only one that has been perpetually bugged since before Linux
> that exiting a man page display clears the screen?

Just need to change your pager - less is used by default, if you change 
it to "more", you can probably get around that by pressing Q. :-)

(IOW, it's not a function of man, it's a function of the pager)

Jim


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 17:09:10
Message: <4963d686$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> Just need to change your pager - less is used by default, if you change 
> it to "more", you can probably get around that by pressing Q. :-)

True, but less is so much more than more, while more is so much less
than less.

IMO that's only downside of less with man-pages. With more I can't
scroll the page backwards, which is often useful feature - another one
is search. There's a good reason why less has basically substituted more.

> (IOW, it's not a function of man, it's a function of the pager)

True, but a pager better than less is still a mystery - at least for me.

> Jim

-Aero


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 17:16:26
Message: <4963d83a$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:07:50 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>> Just need to change your pager - less is used by default, if you change
>> it to "more", you can probably get around that by pressing Q. :-)
> 
> True, but less is so much more than more, while more is so much less
> than less.

I don't disagree with that assessment at all.  :-)

Just pointing out that the issue isn't with man or man pages, but with 
the choice of pager used for viewing them.

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 17:36:55
Message: <4963dd07$1@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:
> That might even be a bug in the file manager software. That's why I
> asked to try from command line.

That was the hint I needed, yes. :-)

> No, you're not. I tend to use multiple Xterms to cover that problem -
> that way you even can scroll the man-page while writing the command.

Same here. Sucks when it's before windowing systems, tho. :-)

I always wonder about the people who say how great Emacs is because it can 
open multiple files at once, and I just say "I can do that with vi. It's 
called X-Windows." :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 17:37:25
Message: <4963dd25@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> (IOW, it's not a function of man, it's a function of the pager)

I knew that. It just never seems worth the effort to fix it for myself. :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 17:47:08
Message: <4963df6c$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
>> No, you're not. I tend to use multiple Xterms to cover that problem -
>> that way you even can scroll the man-page while writing the command.
> 
> Same here. Sucks when it's before windowing systems, tho. :-)
> 

Then there usually is 6 virtual consoles or screen installed ;).

-Aero


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 18:02:34
Message: <4963e30a$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> Just pointing out that the issue isn't with man or man pages, but with 
> the choice of pager used for viewing them.

Yep. And yes, less clearing the screen after quit manages to annoy me in
many other situations also, not just man-pages.

> Jim

-Aero


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 18:03:42
Message: <4963e34e@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Then there usually is 6 virtual consoles or screen installed ;).

Only on Linux! :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 19:30:07
Message: <4963f78f$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:01:14 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Yep. And yes, less clearing the screen after quit manages to annoy me in
> many other situations also, not just man-pages.

Same here.  I wonder if there's a way to change that behaviour - not 
enough to have looked previously, but if I'm bored tonight, maybe I'll 
look. ;-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Virtual PC and Linux sharing files?
Date: 6 Jan 2009 19:30:19
Message: <4963f79b@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:37:20 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> (IOW, it's not a function of man, it's a function of the pager)
> 
> I knew that. It just never seems worth the effort to fix it for myself.
> :-)

Same here. :-)

Jim


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