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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 01:15:00
Message: <web.4961a4b2a841313ae44542980@news.povray.org>
Holy cow!  It's true!  Well, one less gripe to go.  I don't use IE much either,
but it' annoying to point the mouse to the address bar anytime I wanna go
somewhere like \\uranus\this\deep\down...


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 01:20:00
Message: <web.4961a5a6a841313ae44542980@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> (I'm mildly annoyed that neither KDE nor GNOME default to opening the menu
> when you hit the Windows key. It would seem that adding that functionality
> would make it friendlier to Windows users, given that I don't think the
> Windows key is used for anything at all in either of those desktops.)

Yes, it's the most useless of all keys, as much as Scroll lock perhaps! ;)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 01:39:18
Message: <4961ab16$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Yes, it's the most useless of all keys, as much as Scroll lock perhaps! ;)

I've actually used scroll lock on occasion. It's sysreq I've never had to 
use. :-)  That looked more like a function in search of a problem, to me. 
Multi-task switching functionality hardcoded into the keyboard, immediately 
followed by the release of Windows. Ouch. :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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From: Phil Cook v2
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 04:35:50
Message: <op.um92a1vfmn4jds@phils.mshome.net>
And lo On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:09:37 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake thusly:

> And a link off that page says something about ALT+D being "select the  
> text in the address bar" for IE. Try one or the other, and retrain your  
> fingers. ;-)

Same for Firefox too, which is handy trick to know.

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Phil Cook

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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 12:52:07
Message: <496248c7@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> 
> The number of times Vista lets the focus get stolen is annoying too. XP
> was real good at that, and I understand Vista tries to prevent
> pop-unders or something by not letting you *not* steal the focus. Seems
> like the wrong answer, to me.
> 

That one of the most annoying things with XP. Focus stealing, I mean.
It's not even rare that I'm writing something (at work), *some* pop-up
comes up and I have no idea what it said, since I just hit enter or
spacebar. IMO only the critical messages from OS should appear like that
and have OK-button disabled for 5 secs oslt, so they could be even
noticed before hitting enter. Of course configurability would be optimal
choice - let everyone choose what level of focus stealing they want.

-Aero


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 12:52:45
Message: <496248ed$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
>
> search that keeps getting in the way... more than that, the previous shortcut
> worked perfectly fine, why drop it?
> 

Or possibly... make it configurable?

-Aero


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 12:58:15
Message: <49624a37$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Yes, it's the most useless of all keys, as much as Scroll lock
>> perhaps! ;)

Scroll lock is surprisingly useful - many KVM switches use it as the
change button when pressed twice ;).

> I've actually used scroll lock on occasion. It's sysreq I've never had
> to use. :-)  That looked more like a function in search of a problem, to
> me. Multi-task switching functionality hardcoded into the keyboard,
> immediately followed by the release of Windows. Ouch. :-)
> 

Linux has support for Magic SysRq keys. I don't know how deep in they
actually are, but usually if you get the system to a state that'll make
you want to do a hard reset (cutting power), AltGr*+SysRq+S (emergence
Sync) and AltGr+SysRq+B (reBoot) at least seems less cruel way to do things.

*) Yes, it demands AltGr, I just tested - my laptop has SysRq at Fn+Del,
so I need to AltGr+Fn+SysRq+S (in that order) to do the sync.

-Aero


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 13:14:03
Message: <49624deb@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Linux has support for Magic SysRq keys. 

So does Windows. So did DOS. :-) I think you have to be running a debug 
console on the serial port for sysreq to do anything with Windows. But 
basically the keycode does the same sort of magic "this isn't really a 
keycode" that ctl-alt-delete does.

Frighteningly enough, I used to actually know the details of this crap.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 13:15:05
Message: <49624e29$1@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> search that keeps getting in the way... more than that, the previous shortcut
>> worked perfectly fine, why drop it?
> Or possibly... make it configurable?

Make too much stuff configurable, and you wind up with Linux user friendliness.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 13:18:09
Message: <49624ee1$1@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> The number of times Vista lets the focus get stolen is annoying too. XP
>> was real good at that, and I understand Vista tries to prevent
>> pop-unders or something by not letting you *not* steal the focus. Seems
>> like the wrong answer, to me.
>>
> 
> That one of the most annoying things with XP. Focus stealing, I mean.

Except you can turn that off at the window manager level, and it works 
almost 100% of the time.  With Vista, it works mainly when you didn't want 
it to work in the first place, somehow.

> IMO only the critical messages from OS should appear like that
> and have OK-button disabled for 5 secs oslt, so they could be even
> noticed before hitting enter.

Yeah, firefox does this pretty well.

> Of course configurability would be optimal
> choice - let everyone choose what level of focus stealing they want.

It's ... already there. :-) There's even a parameter that says "if I haven't 
typed in this many seconds, let apps steal the focus."

You might want to download TweakUI from Microsoft and look at all the stuff 
it makes easy to configure.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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