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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 1 Dec 2008 16:54:34
Message: <c7n8j419cgcn1ihsnhoghnfb9jck37elv4@4ax.com>
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:28:51 +0000, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>> Solar panels. Infrared remote control receivers (i.e., photodiodes). 
>> Optical sensors on doors.
>
>Infrared receivers *respond to* light. They do not actually *transform* 
>it into electricity.

They respond to light (IR) by the light energising the base of a transistor the
same way an electric current does. In fact you can make a photo transistor by
opening the can of a metal clad tyranny. 

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     Stephen


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 1 Dec 2008 19:02:38
Message: <49347b1e@news.povray.org>
Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:11:43 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I used to have a solar powered pocket calculator. Worked pretty well
> indoors too.

	Many such gadgets do include a battery. My solar powered calculator
would work well in complete darkness. Until the battery ran out (took
about a decade to do so!). Now it works, but needs some light (not much,
though).

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From: Fredrik Eriksson
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 1 Dec 2008 19:27:00
Message: <op.ulid7alb7bxctx@e6600.bredbandsbolaget.se>
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:02:37 +0100, Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:11:43 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I used to have a solar powered pocket calculator. Worked pretty well
>> indoors too.
>
> 	Many such gadgets do include a battery. My solar powered calculator
> would work well in complete darkness. Until the battery ran out (took
> about a decade to do so!). Now it works, but needs some light (not much,
> though).


Not this one. If you held your hand over the solar cells the display would  
blank out right away. I still have a non-solar-powered calculator though  
that runs on its original battery even after twenty or so years. The power  
consumption of such devices is astonishingly low.


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FE


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 1 Dec 2008 21:46:13
Message: <4934a175@news.povray.org>
"Fredrik Eriksson" <fe79}--at--{yahoo}--dot--{com> wrote:
> Not this one. If you held your hand over the solar cells the display would
> blank out right away. I still have a non-solar-powered calculator though
> that runs on its original battery even after twenty or so years. The power
> consumption of such devices is astonishingly low.

I remembered if I covered the solar cells for the right brief amount of
time, the number changed in such a way that I think only some bits got
cleared :)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 2 Dec 2008 02:51:46
Message: <4934e912$1@news.povray.org>
> Which leads to another question: Do surface hilights really exist? Or are 
> they just reflections of the shape of the light source?

They do exist, and they are not just reflections of the shape of the light 
source.  They are due to the geometric structure of the surface on a very 
small scale.  Think about each surface IRL actually having something like a 
normal{bumps scale 0.000001} block and then rendered with perfect 
anti-aliasing... even a point light source will give you a non-zero sized 
highlight.

Diffuse, specular and reflection are all the same thing IRL, it just depends 
on the geometry of the surface.  IIRC some light reflection model used in 3D 
cards (or maybe POV too) is based on theoretical analysis of random surface 
variations.  Something like assuming the surface to be made up of a 
triangle-wave with each peak a random height.  You can calculate the % of 
light reflected in certain directions mathematically and with a few 
simplifications come up with a model for diffuse and specular components.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 2 Dec 2008 09:30:24
Message: <49354680$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> 
> Solar panels. Infrared remote control receivers (i.e., photodiodes). 
> Optical sensors on doors.
> 

Don't forget digital camera sensors. DRAM chips, too.

-- 
~Mike


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From: Tor Olav Kristensen
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 2 Dec 2008 15:39:29
Message: <49359d01$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>> It's more that, in everyday life, there is no way of turning light 
>>> into either electricity
>>
>> Solar panels.
> 
> And when do you *ever* see those in everyday life? ;-)

You have probably seen several solar powered calculators, watches and 
torches.

See:

http://www.amazon.com/Casio-FX-260-Solar-Scientific-Calculator/dp/B00004TVDT
http://www.globalsources.com/manufacturers/Solar-Torch.html
http://www.thesolarcentre.co.uk/catalog/Solar_Watches-27-1.html
http://www.thesolarcentre.co.uk/

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Tor Olav
http://subcube.com


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From: Tor Olav Kristensen
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 2 Dec 2008 15:54:01
Message: <4935a069@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
...
> For example, you know how light "bends" when it enters eg glass, well 
> how much it bends is related to the refractive index of the material.  
> And if you know the "electrical" properties you can calculate this 
> refractive index exactly (it's the square root of permittivity times 
> permeablility of the material).
...

Heh - now you just reminded my of this Google calculator expression:

http://www.google.no/search?q=speed+of+light+times+square+root+of+%28permittivity+of+free+space+times+permeability+of+free+space%29
http://tinyurl.com/5etcgr

-- 
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 2 Dec 2008 16:20:45
Message: <4935a6ad@news.povray.org>
Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> Heh - now you just reminded my of this Google calculator expression:
> 
>
http://www.google.no/search?q=speed+of+light+times+square+root+of+%28permittivity+of+free+space+times+permeability+of+free+space%29
> http://tinyurl.com/5etcgr
> 

http://www.google.com/search?q=once+in+a+blue+moon


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From: Tor Olav Kristensen
Subject: Re: Stranger than fiction
Date: 2 Dec 2008 17:01:49
Message: <4935b04d@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
...
> http://www.google.com/search?q=once+in+a+blue+moon

=)

So we have a blue moon about every 33rd month ?

http://www.google.com/search?q=one+divided+by+once+in+a+blue+moon+in+months

-- 
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com


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