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Invisible wrote:
> (Personally I've never seen *anybody* IRL with an actual firearm. Well,
> unless you count an air rifle.)
I remember after 9/11 seeing lots of military types wandering the
airport with automatic rifles. Pretty freaky....
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~Mike
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scott <sco### [at] scott com> wrote:
> I saw a thing here a while back where a group of people were protesting
> about something. There were literally twice as many police with shields and
> guns compared to the protesters (who were armed with nothing). The police
> were just waiting at a safe distance when suddenly the protesters started
> destroying peoples gardens and ripping out fences and trees to throw at the
> police. The police did nothing, they just stood there. Afterwards they
> showed the state of these peoples gardens and interviewed them, basically
> they couldn't believe it that the police did absolutely nothing to protect
> their property.
> If that is "free speech" and "freedom to express your opinion", then I want
> it banned!
Fine, refuse to believe that people are being sanctioned for simply
expressing their opinion, with absolutely no violence involved.
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- Warp
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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> If that's the worst (or best?) you can come up with, I think we're safe with
> being free to express our opinions :-)
You are being the perfect example of the type of mentality which allows
freedom of speech to be limited more and more.
There are thing which are now so "taboo" that it's completely "ok" if
they are not anymore included into the rights of free speech. These taboos
are being expanded little by little as time passes, and more and more
things are passing outside of the free speech right. But all this is ok.
It is, after all, a taboo, and everyone who dares to express their opinion
on them must be fanatic and violent and deserves to be punished.
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- Warp
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scott wrote:
> Publishing derogatory comments, especially when generalising about a
> certain group of people is a very dangerous thing to do,
No it's not. It's *words*.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Warp wrote:
> Fine, refuse to believe that people are being sanctioned for simply
> expressing their opinion, with absolutely no violence involved.
In spite of numerous actual videos of it happening on youtube. :-)
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Invisible wrote:
> Where I'm from, "most cops" don't even *have* guns...
Well, there is that, yes. A much better way to work things, IMO.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Darren New wrote:
> scott wrote:
>> Publishing derogatory comments, especially when generalising about a
>> certain group of people is a very dangerous thing to do,
>
> No it's not. It's *words*.
Both of you are going to opposite extremes. There are intermediary states.
Taking your message literally, by their (them?) being *words* does not
make them harmless or harmful. Unless you think that someone suggesting
all members of race Z should be killed is harmless.
--
Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots.
/\ /\ /\ /
/ \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z
>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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Darren New wrote:
> Mueen Nawaz wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>>> Not in the US. If your protests indeed disrupt the government, or
>>>> traffic, or so many other things, you get in trouble.
>>> The protests are supposed to disrupt the government. It's *supposed* to
>>> be OK, as long as it's peaceful.
>>
>> Well, exactly how can they "disrupt the government" while being
>> "peaceful"?
>
> Well, OK. You can certainly disrupt government plans without disrupting
> the government as such. That's kind of the wonders of democracy.
>
> Sure, if you actually prevent the government from governing, you're
> breaking the law.
Which was my point.
--
Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots.
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/ \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z
>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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scott wrote:
>> Well, exactly how can they "disrupt the government" while being
>> "peaceful"?
>
> Vote for someone else. Lobby your local politicians. Make a petition.
> Try to gather support in the community. Hold a peaceful protest at a
> key location. There are many non-violent ways to disrupt the
> government. Physically disrupting it by force is not one of them.
How are any of these disrupting the government? Voting is part of the
process - no one classifies it as a disruption. Lobbying disrupts what
and how, exactly? Peaceful protest is equally peacefully ignored.
Not that I'm advocating either side - just pointing out that in the US,
disrupting the government is generally illegal - regardless of the method.
--
Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots.
/\ /\ /\ /
/ \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z
>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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scott wrote:
> I saw a thing here a while back where a group of people were protesting
> about something. There were literally twice as many police with shields
> and guns compared to the protesters (who were armed with nothing). The
> police were just waiting at a safe distance when suddenly the protesters
> started destroying peoples gardens and ripping out fences and trees to
> throw at the police. The police did nothing, they just stood there.
> Afterwards they showed the state of these peoples gardens and
> interviewed them, basically they couldn't believe it that the police did
> absolutely nothing to protect their property.
>
> If that is "free speech" and "freedom to express your opinion", then I
> want it banned!
It isn't.
Pointing out situations where the police don't do their job is not an
argument against anything Warp was saying.
--
Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots.
/\ /\ /\ /
/ \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z
>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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