Gail wrote:

> Ever seen anything written in C#?

Nope.

> VB.NET?

Not knowingly.

> Ever seen any website with .aspx pages?

Ah. *That* I have seen.

(I thought ASP was some kind of scripting language. I didn't realise it 
had anything to do with .NET.)

>> Maybe .NET code is just less "visible" somehow?
> 
> .Net isn't a language.

Well true, but even so, you don't often hear somebody say "hey, I'm 
working on this thing written in C#..."

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Gail wrote:
>
>> Ever seen anything written in C#?
>
> Nope.

The job market in the UK must be very different it both here and US. 
Probably close to half of the programming jobs I see these days ask for C#.

Thing with .net is that if you're working on a machines that has the .net 
framework installed (and I believe everything past XP does by default), you 
won't know that you're running a .net app. It's not like Java where you can 
see the VM running in task manager (or sometimes have a popup in the task 
bar). That's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be seamless and to 
not bother the end user with anything they don't need to know.

I know your machine has .net on because we've had conversations before on 
free C# compilers and I recall you finding the framework folder.

>> Ever seen any website with .aspx pages?
>
> Ah. *That* I have seen.
>
> (I thought ASP was some kind of scripting language. I didn't realise it 
> had anything to do with .NET.)

It's a server-side dynamic page setup like php. It uses the .net framework 
on the server. .aspx pages are asp.net, pages with just the .asp extension 
are the older-style asp (active server pages)
ASP.NET pages are written in one of the .net languages, most commonly C# or 
VB)

> Well true, but even so, you don't often hear somebody say "hey, I'm 
> working on this thing written in C#..."
>

Most of the developers I know personally work in C#. I'd put it up with 
Java, php, perl and C++ for popularity and usage, and that's not just 
hobbyist.
It's far more used than VB or delphi. (and most VB these days is VB.NET 
anyway)

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> (I've also seen people talk about Java and various other languages, but
> nobody seems to ever talk about .NET. That, however, might just be a
> result of the people I happen to listen to...)

I often get the impression that you are indeed mixing with the wrong crowd.

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somebody wrote:

> I often get the impression that you are indeed mixing with the wrong crowd.

I hang out here don't I? :-P













Only kidding guys! ;-)

...guys? Uh, no really, I was joking!... guys? o_O

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:25:31 +0200, "Gail" <gail (at) sql in the wild (dot) co
[dot] za> wrote:

>The job market in the UK must be very different it both here and US. 
>Probably close to half of the programming jobs I see these days ask for C#.

Probably not I just ran a search on jobserve for "programming c# england" and
got 117 hits for the last 7 days. "programming c++ England" gave 59 and
"programming +haskell England" gave none.
Heigh! Ho! 
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"somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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>
> > (I've also seen people talk about Java and various other languages, but
> > nobody seems to ever talk about .NET. That, however, might just be a
> > result of the people I happen to listen to...)
>
> I often get the impression that you are indeed mixing with the wrong crowd.

Yes.  Join us... *voice from Evil Dead*

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"Tim Attwood" <tim### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> > Today somebody posted a message anouncing an alpha release of a Haskell to
> > .NET bridge. Somebody reponded with "wow, great work! This could be a real
> > game changer."
> >
> > I can't help but feel I've missed something important here...
> >
> > Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth
> > actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever. So... why would having a
> > bridge to it be of any signifigance? What am I not seeing here??
>
> Hasn't Simon Peyton Jones has been working for MS?
> http://www.dotnetrocks.com/default.aspx?showNum=310

Hasn't everyone been working for MS?

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Gail wrote:

> The job market in the UK must be very different it both here and US. 
> Probably close to half of the programming jobs I see these days ask for C#.

Most of the jobs I've seen can be roughly classified thus:

- We program toasters (so we want C).
- We write "serious" applications (so we want C or maybe C++).
- We write "custom business applications" (so we want VB / VBA or maybe 
Java).
- We write web applications, so we want JavaScript / Perl / PHP.

> Thing with .net is that if you're working on a machines that has the 
> .net framework installed (and I believe everything past XP does by 
> default), you won't know that you're running a .net app. It's not like 
> Java where you can see the VM running in task manager (or sometimes have 
> a popup in the task bar). That's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed 
> to be seamless and to not bother the end user with anything they don't 
> need to know.

"Everything past XP" meaning "only the latest bleeding edge OS that 
nobody is using yet"?

Anyway, I know that the .NET framework is an absolutely *huge* download 
and it takes hours to install. I know this because we have _one_ obscure 
application at work which demands .NET 1.1 be installed. This takes many 
times longer than installing the application itself. (Roughly 45 minutes 
or so of HD thrashing.)

> I know your machine has .net on because we've had conversations before 
> on free C# compilers and I recall you finding the framework folder.

I don't recall that conversation, but anyway... my PC has never had it 
until now. (It has it *now* because I just installed MS Visual Studio, 
and the first thing it does is install this unwanted component.)

>> (I thought ASP was some kind of scripting language. I didn't realise 
>> it had anything to do with .NET.)
> 
> It's a server-side dynamic page setup like php. It uses the .net 
> framework on the server. .aspx pages are asp.net, pages with just the 
> .asp extension are the older-style asp (active server pages)
> ASP.NET pages are written in one of the .net languages, most commonly C# 
> or VB)

Well aren't you a mine of information? :-D

> Most of the developers I know personally work in C#. I'd put it up with 
> Java, php, perl and C++ for popularity and usage, and that's not just 
> hobbyist.
> It's far more used than VB or delphi. (and most VB these days is VB.NET 
> anyway)

Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name 
mentioned in years...

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Gail wrote:
> > It's far more used than VB or delphi. (and most VB these days is VB.NET
> > anyway)
>
> Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name
> mentioned in years...

Delphi is alive because old apps written in it still need support.  But, yes,
ever since Microsoft grabbed *the* Delphi team to work on .NET, Borland the
company has been slowly dying a painful death, like most companies screwed by
Microsoft practices.

But hey, they are a great company with great products and consumers are just
happy, as long as all the dirt is underneath the carpet and out of view.

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>
> Most of the jobs I've seen can be roughly classified thus:
>
> - We program toasters (so we want C).
> - We write "serious" applications (so we want C or maybe C++).
> - We write "custom business applications" (so we want VB / VBA or maybe 
> Java).

Most of that that I see is C#/VB.Net/Java

> - We write web applications, so we want JavaScript / Perl / PHP.

Or ASP.Net

>
>> Thing with .net is that if you're working on a machines that has the .net 
>> framework installed (and I believe everything past XP does by default), 
>> you won't know that you're running a .net app. It's not like Java where 
>> you can see the VM running in task manager (or sometimes have a popup in 
>> the task bar). That's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be 
>> seamless and to not bother the end user with anything they don't need to 
>> know.
>
> "Everything past XP" meaning "only the latest bleeding edge OS that nobody 
> is using yet"?

I think it was included in one of the XP service packs. XP RTM didn't, but 
I'm sure SP1 or SP2 included .net framework

Oh, and from your second statement, I didn't realise my name had been 
changed. Hi, I'm nobody.

> Anyway, I know that the .NET framework is an absolutely *huge* download 
> and it takes hours to install. I know this because we have _one_ obscure 
> application at work which demands .NET 1.1 be installed. This takes many 
> times longer than installing the application itself. (Roughly 45 minutes 
> or so of HD thrashing.)

It's not as huge as people often make it out to be.
see http://smallestdotnet.com
You'll have to use IE for that site, as firefox doesn't expose the .net 
framework version. Dunno about other chrome, safari, opera and others

> I don't recall that conversation, but anyway... my PC has never had it 
> until now. (It has it *now* because I just installed MS Visual Studio, and 
> the first thing it does is install this unwanted component.)

I'm pretty sure it did. VS has to install the sdk, but I'm willing to bet 
you had the runtime long before that.

>> It's a server-side dynamic page setup like php. It uses the .net 
>> framework on the server. .aspx pages are asp.net, pages with just the 
>> .asp extension are the older-style asp (active server pages)
>> ASP.NET pages are written in one of the .net languages, most commonly C# 
>> or VB)
>
> Well aren't you a mine of information? :-D

I used to be a web developer.

> Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name mentioned 
> in years...
>

One of my best friends has a job coding in it, so no. It's not as popular as 
it used to be though.

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