>> As I understand it, it's sorta-kinda like the Java virtual machine + 
>> library assemblage, except explicitly designed to support multiple 
>> source-level languages instead of just one.
> 
> And do you know which source languages talk to it?

Off the top of my head... C#, F#, some Java derivative (J#?), and 
there's a variant of VB for it.

>> (It wasn't easy to find this information, mind you...)
> 
> "The Microsoft .NET Framework is a software technology that is available 
> with several Microsoft Windows operating systems. It includes a large 
> library of pre-coded solutions to common programming problems and a 
> virtual machine that manages the execution of programs written 
> specifically for the framework. The .NET Framework is a key Microsoft 
> offering and is intended to be used by most new applications created for 
> the Windows platform.
> 
> The pre-coded solutions that form the framework's Base Class Library 
> cover a large range of programming needs in a number of areas, including 
> user interface, data access, database connectivity, cryptography, web 
> application development, numeric algorithms, and network communications. 
> The class library is used by programmers, who combine it with their own 
> code to produce applications.
> 
> Programs written for the .NET Framework execute in a software 
> environment that manages the program's runtime requirements. Also part 
> of the .NET Framework, this runtime environment is known as the Common 
> Language Runtime (CLR). The CLR provides the appearance of an 
> application virtual machine so that programmers need not consider the 
> capabilities of the specific CPU that will execute the program. The CLR 
> also provides other important services such as security, memory 
> management, and exception handling. The class library and the CLR 
> together compose the .NET Framework."

That seems slightly clearer than last time I looked. Last time I 
researched this matter, I found endless pages telling me how awesome 
.NET is and why I should immediately use it, but I couldn't find 
anything (from Microsoft or Wikipedia) that explains precisely what it *is*.

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> Ever seen anything written in C#?

Nope.

> VB.NET?

Not knowingly.

> Ever seen any website with .aspx pages?

Ah. *That* I have seen.

(I thought ASP was some kind of scripting language. I didn't realise it 
had anything to do with .NET.)

>> Maybe .NET code is just less "visible" somehow?
> 
> .Net isn't a language.

Well true, but even so, you don't often hear somebody say "hey, I'm 
working on this thing written in C#..."

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Gail wrote:
>
>> Ever seen anything written in C#?
>
> Nope.

The job market in the UK must be very different it both here and US. 
Probably close to half of the programming jobs I see these days ask for C#.

Thing with .net is that if you're working on a machines that has the .net 
framework installed (and I believe everything past XP does by default), you 
won't know that you're running a .net app. It's not like Java where you can 
see the VM running in task manager (or sometimes have a popup in the task 
bar). That's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be seamless and to 
not bother the end user with anything they don't need to know.

I know your machine has .net on because we've had conversations before on 
free C# compilers and I recall you finding the framework folder.

>> Ever seen any website with .aspx pages?
>
> Ah. *That* I have seen.
>
> (I thought ASP was some kind of scripting language. I didn't realise it 
> had anything to do with .NET.)

It's a server-side dynamic page setup like php. It uses the .net framework 
on the server. .aspx pages are asp.net, pages with just the .asp extension 
are the older-style asp (active server pages)
ASP.NET pages are written in one of the .net languages, most commonly C# or 
VB)

> Well true, but even so, you don't often hear somebody say "hey, I'm 
> working on this thing written in C#..."
>

Most of the developers I know personally work in C#. I'd put it up with 
Java, php, perl and C++ for popularity and usage, and that's not just 
hobbyist.
It's far more used than VB or delphi. (and most VB these days is VB.NET 
anyway)

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> (I've also seen people talk about Java and various other languages, but
> nobody seems to ever talk about .NET. That, however, might just be a
> result of the people I happen to listen to...)

I often get the impression that you are indeed mixing with the wrong crowd.

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somebody wrote:

> I often get the impression that you are indeed mixing with the wrong crowd.

I hang out here don't I? :-P













Only kidding guys! ;-)

...guys? Uh, no really, I was joking!... guys? o_O

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:25:31 +0200, "Gail" <gail (at) sql in the wild (dot) co
[dot] za> wrote:

>The job market in the UK must be very different it both here and US. 
>Probably close to half of the programming jobs I see these days ask for C#.

Probably not I just ran a search on jobserve for "programming c# england" and
got 117 hits for the last 7 days. "programming c++ England" gave 59 and
"programming +haskell England" gave none.
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"somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:48f0bcf5$1@news.povray.org...
>
> > (I've also seen people talk about Java and various other languages, but
> > nobody seems to ever talk about .NET. That, however, might just be a
> > result of the people I happen to listen to...)
>
> I often get the impression that you are indeed mixing with the wrong crowd.

Yes.  Join us... *voice from Evil Dead*

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"Tim Attwood" <tim### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:48efacfa$1@news.povray.org...
> > Today somebody posted a message anouncing an alpha release of a Haskell to
> > .NET bridge. Somebody reponded with "wow, great work! This could be a real
> > game changer."
> >
> > I can't help but feel I've missed something important here...
> >
> > Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth
> > actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever. So... why would having a
> > bridge to it be of any signifigance? What am I not seeing here??
>
> Hasn't Simon Peyton Jones has been working for MS?
> http://www.dotnetrocks.com/default.aspx?showNum=310

Hasn't everyone been working for MS?

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Gail wrote:

> The job market in the UK must be very different it both here and US. 
> Probably close to half of the programming jobs I see these days ask for C#.

Most of the jobs I've seen can be roughly classified thus:

- We program toasters (so we want C).
- We write "serious" applications (so we want C or maybe C++).
- We write "custom business applications" (so we want VB / VBA or maybe 
Java).
- We write web applications, so we want JavaScript / Perl / PHP.

> Thing with .net is that if you're working on a machines that has the 
> .net framework installed (and I believe everything past XP does by 
> default), you won't know that you're running a .net app. It's not like 
> Java where you can see the VM running in task manager (or sometimes have 
> a popup in the task bar). That's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed 
> to be seamless and to not bother the end user with anything they don't 
> need to know.

"Everything past XP" meaning "only the latest bleeding edge OS that 
nobody is using yet"?

Anyway, I know that the .NET framework is an absolutely *huge* download 
and it takes hours to install. I know this because we have _one_ obscure 
application at work which demands .NET 1.1 be installed. This takes many 
times longer than installing the application itself. (Roughly 45 minutes 
or so of HD thrashing.)

> I know your machine has .net on because we've had conversations before 
> on free C# compilers and I recall you finding the framework folder.

I don't recall that conversation, but anyway... my PC has never had it 
until now. (It has it *now* because I just installed MS Visual Studio, 
and the first thing it does is install this unwanted component.)

>> (I thought ASP was some kind of scripting language. I didn't realise 
>> it had anything to do with .NET.)
> 
> It's a server-side dynamic page setup like php. It uses the .net 
> framework on the server. .aspx pages are asp.net, pages with just the 
> .asp extension are the older-style asp (active server pages)
> ASP.NET pages are written in one of the .net languages, most commonly C# 
> or VB)

Well aren't you a mine of information? :-D

> Most of the developers I know personally work in C#. I'd put it up with 
> Java, php, perl and C++ for popularity and usage, and that's not just 
> hobbyist.
> It's far more used than VB or delphi. (and most VB these days is VB.NET 
> anyway)

Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name 
mentioned in years...

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Gail wrote:
> > It's far more used than VB or delphi. (and most VB these days is VB.NET
> > anyway)
>
> Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name
> mentioned in years...

Delphi is alive because old apps written in it still need support.  But, yes,
ever since Microsoft grabbed *the* Delphi team to work on .NET, Borland the
company has been slowly dying a painful death, like most companies screwed by
Microsoft practices.

But hey, they are a great company with great products and consumers are just
happy, as long as all the dirt is underneath the carpet and out of view.

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