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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:48:32 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> Does that work when the offender is your boss?
>>
>> It does if you copy in his/her boss :-)
>
> Yes, because upper management are more likely to believe me than believe
> the Senior Director of IT. Oh, wait...
Hey, the worst that can happen is they fire you - which frees you up to
find other employment.
Jim
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Grunts of agreement here....
Jim
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On 07-Oct-08 22:56, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:48:32 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>
>>>> Does that work when the offender is your boss?
>>> It does if you copy in his/her boss :-)
>> Yes, because upper management are more likely to believe me than believe
>> the Senior Director of IT. Oh, wait...
>
> Hey, the worst that can happen is they fire you -
I think our Andy is mortally afraid of fire.
> which frees you up to find other employment.
Interesting concept, I am not sure if he already tried that. ;)
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:12:52 +0200, andrel wrote:
> On 07-Oct-08 22:56, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:48:32 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>
>>>>> Does that work when the offender is your boss?
>>>> It does if you copy in his/her boss :-)
>>> Yes, because upper management are more likely to believe me than
>>> believe the Senior Director of IT. Oh, wait...
>>
>> Hey, the worst that can happen is they fire you -
> I think our Andy is mortally afraid of fire.
>
>> which frees you up to find other employment.
>
> Interesting concept, I am not sure if he already tried that. ;)
Maybe, but also as I have said before, document, document, document. If
it ain't written down, it didn't happen.
Andy, you listening?
Jim
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> Computers don't stress me out. Management politics stress me out. :-/ And
> being considered to be some kind of nobody idiot who doesn't know what
> they're talking about and can't be trusted with anything stresses me out.
> The actual computer-related parts don't really stress me.
Hehe, you should read more BOFH :-) Seriously though, a few incidents that
you manage well (ie informing management continuously what is happening)
will put you in better light. Speak to your boss about what he did and why
he didn't ask you first, if you don't get a satisfactory answer then *tell
him* that, that it's not acceptable, explain why, and speak to someone else
if necessary. Tell him why it's important that nobody can modify the IT
systems without your knowledge, you should fix things so that it's
*impossible* for him to make any changes like that again without you
knowing. If you don't have a good talk with him he will do it again and
annoy you more.
> Yeah. But not when computing is your only commercially important skill.
Well (from what I remember) your company is certainly not paying you as
someone with a commercially important skill.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:12:52 +0200, andrel wrote:
>
>> On 07-Oct-08 22:56, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:48:32 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Does that work when the offender is your boss?
>>>>> It does if you copy in his/her boss :-)
>>>> Yes, because upper management are more likely to believe me than
>>>> believe the Senior Director of IT. Oh, wait...
>>> Hey, the worst that can happen is they fire you -
>> I think our Andy is mortally afraid of fire.
>>
>>> which frees you up to find other employment.
>> Interesting concept, I am not sure if he already tried that. ;)
>
> Maybe, but also as I have said before, document, document, document. If
> it ain't written down, it didn't happen.
>
> Andy, you listening?
>
so - he should write down the bad stuff his boss does and the good stuff
he does...
but the bad stuff that he does he should let fall under the table ;-)
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Tom Austin wrote:
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> so - he should write down the bad stuff his boss does and the good stuff
> he does...
>
> but the bad stuff that he does he should let fall under the table ;-)
>
Well, naturally; unless, that is, he's feeling suicidal. Oh, wait ...
John
--
"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:21:40 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Computers don't stress me out. Management politics stress me out.
> :-/ And being considered to be some kind of nobody idiot who
> doesn't know what they're talking about and can't be trusted with
> anything stresses me out. The actual computer-related parts don't
> really stress me.
Sure, but the "pointy haired boss" type stuff is part of it.
My brother will soon finish his masters and then pursue a doctorate in
Electrical Engineering. He will make a very comfortable living. However,
he could make an even more comfortable living practicing EE law. He's got
the mental horsepower, but EE law doesn't fit his personality.
A new "skill set" can be acquired, but personality is nearly impossible
to change.
> Yeah. But not when computing is your only commercially important
> skill.
How important is it? Aptitude isn't so important. You learn a job in two
weeks, the guy next to you learns it in two months, and a year later no
one remembers the difference. That's what aptitude will do for you.
Motivation, on the other hand, is very important. If you're happy and
motivated, you are very likely to experience commercial success (along
with not suffering at work).
-Shay
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:19:10 -0400, Tom Austin wrote:
> so - he should write down the bad stuff his boss does and the good stuff
> he does...
>
> but the bad stuff that he does he should let fall under the table ;-)
Well, of course, that's the idea. :-)
I learned the lesson that "if it's not written, it didn't happen" about
10 years ago, but I've been over that story here before, so I won't
rehash it. :-)
Jim
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:16:41 -0400, Shay wrote:
> A new "skill set" can be acquired, but personality is nearly impossible
> to change.
Agree 100%. I started as a pure tech, moved into teaching, and then by
way of doing online support and community building into a program
management position. What do program management and IT have in common?
Very little, it turns out - the ability to think logically and (to an
extent) the ability to take complex problems and design solutions that
are hopefully not more complex than the problem was to start with.
Jim
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