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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 30 Jun 2008 15:59:24
Message: <48693b1c$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:07:57 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:57:49 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> 
>>I recently found out an artist I really like (Isao Tomita) who stopped
>>making stuff 20 years ago didn't stop after all. They just stopped
>>exporting it from Japan to America. Love the internet, there. :-)
> 
> Memories :) I had a copy of his "Pictures at an Exhibition", brilliant!

That is a fun album.  Tomita's version of The Planets is also pretty good.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 30 Jun 2008 16:00:06
Message: <48693b46$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:16:29 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Hmm... you mean I'm *not* the only person alive who likes ELO, Pink
> Floyd, Jean Michel Jarre and Tangerine Dream?
> 
> Never would have suspected that...

PF and TD are standards in my collection....Don't have many albums, but I 
do like them.

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 30 Jun 2008 16:12:05
Message: <hffi64tfm2qo2b0c1qbk3omm47jjgjgelb@4ax.com>
On 30 Jun 2008 15:59:24 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom>
wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:07:57 +0100, Stephen wrote:
 
>> Memories :) I had a copy of his "Pictures at an Exhibition", brilliant!
>
>That is a fun album.  Tomita's version of The Planets is also pretty good.
>
>Jim

I've not heard it but will look out for it.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 30 Jun 2008 16:34:25
Message: <48694351$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> I've not heard it but will look out for it.

They're all on Amazon.com in the USA at least. Snowflakes, Firebird, and 
Kosmos are the others I have. All equally wonderful.

I'm missing Bolero and Bermuda Triangle, that I had on LP. I'll have to 
track them down somewhere.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
  Helpful housekeeping hints:
   Check your feather pillows for holes
    before putting them in the washing machine.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 30 Jun 2008 17:15:31
Message: <48694cf3@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:34:26 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Stephen wrote:
>> I've not heard it but will look out for it.
> 
> They're all on Amazon.com in the USA at least. Snowflakes, Firebird, and
> Kosmos are the others I have. All equally wonderful.
> 
> I'm missing Bolero and Bermuda Triangle, that I had on LP. I'll have to
> track them down somewhere.

Yeah, Firebird is good as well.  I might have Bermuda Triangle at home 
(on LP as well, now I think of it).

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 30 Jun 2008 18:34:04
Message: <jqni64ph2de154hmruemop15h2e2m469ms@4ax.com>
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:34:26 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
wrote:

>They're all on Amazon.com in the USA at least. Snowflakes, Firebird, and 
>Kosmos are the others I have. All equally wonderful.


When I fall over it second hand I'll buy it. I've been stuck in the
Baroque grove for quite some time. I wouldn't spend real money but
thanks for the thought.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 13 Jul 2008 15:08:41
Message: <487a52b9$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Thanks to Warp, I spent most of my morning looking at old Amiga demos.
> 
> In particular, I remember as a young teenager reading a review of a demo 
> named "Jesus on Es" by LSD. The reviewer clearly rated it extremely 
> highly. I always dreamed that one day, I'd get to see this apparently 
> legendary demo.
> 
> Well, about a year ago, I discovered an online video file of the demo. 
> (Presumably made using a TV digitiser.) It's compressed to hell, so some 
> of the visual effects don't come out very well. I'm also fairly sure 
> some of the shorts aren't that jerky on a real Amiga. [Because I've seen 
> other programs do it smoothly on the same hardware.]

I just found a higher-quality version of the video online.

Two versions, actually. One uses "DivX", the other uses "H.264". Neither 
of these videos will actually play on my PC, but if I rename the DivX 
one to ".avi" suddenly it plays. (The other one refuses to play no 
matter what I do to it.)

The sound is clearly, the visuals are sharper, and they move faster. 
However, half way through watching I realised with some irritation that 
sound and picture aren't synced properly. I don't know whether the whole 
thing is out of sync by a constant amount or whether they slowly slide 
out of phase; either way, I'm not sure how to fix. But it's damned 
annoying in a carefully synced high-BPM audio-visual experience!

I notice also that the visuals aren't exactly the same as the first 
video. I presume the exact sequence is randomised.



Also, I did thing about getting hold of an Amiga emulator. It used to be 
that only M68k Apples could run such a thing - but today, PCs run so 
much faster than an Amiga that in principle it should be possible to run 
hardware emulation purely in software.

I did in fact discover two such emulators. One costs money, and the 
other requires you to get hold of a ROM image from somewhere. 
[Obviously, CBM holds the copywrite on the contents!] I'll have to see 
if I can find software for taking such an image. (Also, there is NO 
DOCUMENTATION ANYWHERE!)



Watching this demo, you do wonder why the reviewer all those years ago 
was so excited about it.

...and then you go watch some other demos. They all do stuff that is 
wildly more technically impressive, but... I think the longest demo I 
saw was about 9 minutes? Jesus on Es runs for THIRTY MINUTES. During 
that time, the music is non-stop and never repeats. (The graphics, on 
the other hand, repeat far too much!)

Even if you just think of it as a music compilation with a few visuals 
thrown in just for giggles, it's still quite impressive that you can fit 
30 minutes of sound on two 720 KB floppies, no? ;-)

[Before anybody flames me: Yes, I know how sampling works. I have 
personally DONE it. :-P Still, that Rolf Harris sample is quite big... 
wonder how they got it all to fit?]

It's also quite amusing the number of synthesizer samples that I 
actually *recognise*! ;-)

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 13 Jul 2008 15:23:50
Message: <487a5646@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Two versions, actually. One uses "DivX", the other uses "H.264". Neither 
> of these videos will actually play on my PC, but if I rename the DivX 
> one to ".avi" suddenly it plays. (The other one refuses to play no 
> matter what I do to it.)

  Get a proper media player. In the modern world you can't rely solely
on what Windows installs by default. You might not like it, but you just
have to get over it, if you want to watch any "underground" videos.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 13 Jul 2008 15:35:58
Message: <487a591e$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:

>   Get a proper media player.

Such as...?

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Demos
Date: 14 Jul 2008 22:59:15
Message: <487c1283@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> 
>>   Get a proper media player.
> 
> Such as...?
> 

Such as VLC from videolan.org.


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