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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Consultants - a good thing? Discuss
Date: 18 May 2008 15:16:21
Message: <48308085@news.povray.org>
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On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:57:24 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> How did a fool and his money *get* together in the first place??
Good question - John's answer is the most interesting, the other two were
my first thought....
But if those who the fool inherited from realised the fool is a fool,
then it could be guessed that the ones the inheritance comes from were
even more foolish than the fool, thus bringing the question full circle.
Jim
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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Consultants - a good thing? Discuss
Date: 18 May 2008 16:02:37
Message: <48308b5d@news.povray.org>
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John VanSickle wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> How did a fool and his money *get* together in the first place??
>
> We call it taxation.
I call that "P3WNED!"
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Doctor John <doc### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20080516_004925.html
There's an interesting point there: If an IT firm hires a consultant,
are they really expecting that if everything is just fine in that IT firm,
the consultant will admit it? Is the consultant going to say "I see nothing
wrong in the way you are doing things"?
Of course not. That's bad business for the consulting firm. It would
mean that the consulting firm gets next to no money from that IT firm.
The consultant is going to find "problems" no matter what it takes. The
consultant is going to find ways to get money from the IT firm, no matter
what it takes.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> There's an interesting point there: If an IT firm hires a consultant,
> are they really expecting that if everything is just fine in that IT firm,
> the consultant will admit it? Is the consultant going to say "I see nothing
> wrong in the way you are doing things"?
>
> Of course not. That's bad business for the consulting firm. It would
> mean that the consulting firm gets next to no money from that IT firm.
> The consultant is going to find "problems" no matter what it takes. The
> consultant is going to find ways to get money from the IT firm, no matter
> what it takes.
One also has to wonder why you'd hire a consultant if you didn't think
anything was wrong...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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> There's an interesting point there: If an IT firm hires a consultant,
> are they really expecting that if everything is just fine in that IT firm,
> the consultant will admit it? Is the consultant going to say "I see
> nothing
> wrong in the way you are doing things"?
That's impossible, there'd be at least one thing wrong, the fact that they
hired a consultant when they didn't need to :-)
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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> > There's an interesting point there: If an IT firm hires a consultant,
> > are they really expecting that if everything is just fine in that IT firm,
> > the consultant will admit it? Is the consultant going to say "I see
> > nothing
> > wrong in the way you are doing things"?
> That's impossible, there'd be at least one thing wrong, the fact that they
> hired a consultant when they didn't need to :-)
I can perfectly well imagine an IT firm hiring a consultant to get an
opinion on whether the IT firm is maximizing profit or not, even though
there are no glaring problems.
In other words, "we are doing fine, but maybe we could do even better?"
--
- Warp
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On 19 May 2008 02:29:24 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>The consultant is going to find "problems" no matter what it takes. The
>consultant is going to find ways to get money from the IT firm, no matter
>what it takes.
Well I was once hired to recommend if a company should put in the
maintenance module of SAP. The answer was no to the disappointment of
the consultancy and relief of the maintenance department (two men and
a planner)
--
Regards
Stephen
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Warp wrote:
> the consultant will admit it? Is the consultant going to say "I see nothing
> wrong in the way you are doing things"?
Interestingly, in California we have annual inspections of vehicles for
emissions control. I.e., every year, you have to get your car checked
to see if you're polluting too much.
Sometimes you get a notice requiring you to go to a "test only" center.
These places can test your car, but they're not allowed to fix it if you
fail. Hence, they have no impetus to lie about whether you failed or not.
Seems like you might be able to arrange something similar if you were
clever.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
news:483468ce$1@news.povray.org...
> Seems like you might be able to arrange something similar if you were
> clever.
>
Interesting idea. Call the consultant in to just comment on the current
processes/procedures/system with an understanding that they will not be
retained to rectify anything.
I wonder how well it would work in practice. The phrase 'kick back'
unfortunatly comes immediatly to mind.
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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Consultants - a good thing? Discuss
Date: 22 May 2008 22:36:34
Message: <48362db2@news.povray.org>
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http://www.despair.com/consulting.html
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