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And lo on Thu, 01 May 2008 16:56:37 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> In the same vein it constantly astonishes me how many people tap their
>> PIN number for their credit/debit cards into shop terminals without a
>> care in the world.
>
> That's why I only have credit cards and not debit cards.
Ditto, you get a delay in transactions and extra fraud protection.
> (Other than an ATM card, which I'm careful with at the machine in much
> the same way. :-)
See Warp you can't be paranoid if more then one person acts in the same
way :-P
> Of course, living in a country where the banks tend to take the hit
> rather than the bank's customers helps too.
IIRC the burden is spread between the bank and the store (if regarding a
purchase) with the store often getting the short end of the stick.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Thu, 01 May 2008 17:02:46 +0100, Doctor John
<doc### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
> Invisible wrote:
>>>> You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P
>>>>
>>> Maybe, but when considering security paranoia is the name of the game.
>>
>> Well, as I understand it, if they don't physically have your card,
>> knowing your PIN isn't much help anyway...
>>
> You enter your PIN; I note it and signal success to my accomplice; my
> accomplice picks your pocket obtaining your card; I use your card.
Ah see I wasn't quite as genteel.
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Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Thu, 01 May 2008 17:02:46 +0100, Doctor John
> <doc### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
>
>> Invisible wrote:
>>>>> You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe, but when considering security paranoia is the name of the game.
>>>
>>> Well, as I understand it, if they don't physically have your card,
>>> knowing your PIN isn't much help anyway...
>>>
>> You enter your PIN; I note it and signal success to my accomplice; my
>> accomplice picks your pocket obtaining your card; I use your card.
>
> Ah see I wasn't quite as genteel.
>
I'm non-violent but I can cause lots of damage :-D
John
--
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> "Go to hell"
>
> Ah so that's your password?
Yes! I use it for everything. Even my bank accounts at
worldempirebank.com :)
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Kyle wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:44:27 -0500, Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>
>> Somebody offering me a free pen in exchange for a password is likely to
>> hear the words "Go to hell"
>
> What if it's a space pen that writes upside down? :-P
>
>
Hmm, compelling; but, no.
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Darren New wrote:
> "Yeah, and I'll give you $20 if you let the air out of all the tires on
> the car with the license tag ABC123!"
Oka .... heeey, wait a minute! That's my car!
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Phil Cook wrote:
> Personal note: I wrap both hands around the pad and peer into it like a
> periscope before tapping in my number with my thumb and yes I do get odd
> looks from cashiers at times for doing this.
I try to avoid situations where I would need to use my PIN.
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Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> >
> > I thought one that said
> > "Social Engineering: Because Humans are still at 1.0Beta"
> > would be more geeky.
> >
> When have we evolved past the alpha-level? :p
In software the usual versioning terminology is that an "alpha" version
is one which still doesn't have all the planned features, ie. features are
still being added, while a "beta" version is a version of the software which
has all the features but still lacks complete bug testing (ie. it "should
work" but there may be still bugs left).
I suppose the analogy with people is not all that bad.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> I thought one that said
>>> "Social Engineering: Because Humans are still at 1.0Beta"
>>> would be more geeky.
>>>
>
>> When have we evolved past the alpha-level? :p
>
> In software the usual versioning terminology is that an "alpha" version
> is one which still doesn't have all the planned features, ie. features are
> still being added, while a "beta" version is a version of the software which
> has all the features but still lacks complete bug testing (ie. it "should
> work" but there may be still bugs left).
>
> I suppose the analogy with people is not all that bad.
>
Do you think we already have all the planned features now or are there
new ones still to be added later?
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andrel wrote:
> Do you think we already have all the planned features now or are there
> new ones still to be added later?
Hmm, let me see...
- MTBF: approx 50 years.
- Operating conditions:
0% to 100% humidity
0.8 to 2.6 atmospheres of external pressure
10% to 100% gasseous O2 environment
- Can endure [without damage] impacts that would dent plate steel.
- Can survive accelerations in excess of 4G.
- Can survive impact shocks in excess of 4,000G.
- 0-maintenance on all components. (!)
- Most non-fatal injuries automatically repaired while unit remains
operational. (!!!)
- Multiple redundant subsystems:
Dual waste filtration systems.
Dual gas exchange systems.
Dual acoustic sensors. [Also provide enhanced data when combined.]
Dual optical sensors. [Also provide enhanced data when combined.]
- Many systems feature extreme fault-tolerance:
Can survive with less than 50% of normal blood volume.
Can survive with less than 50% of the liver intact.
Can survive with less than 25% of the bone marrow intact.
etc.
- Resistant to a wide variety of inactive and active threats. [Violent
shock, extreme temparatures, corrosive chemicals, toxins, microrganisms,
virii, etc.]
- Central nervous system with cognative abilities unrivalled by any
organism on Earth, as far as we know.
- Ability to procreate. (!!!!!)
Seriously... WHAT THE HELL ELSE DO YOU WANT?!
;-)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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