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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 11:23:34
Message: <47c43d06$1@news.povray.org>
>> Of course, what that also ends up meaning is that only one program can 
>> understand it.
> 
>   Basically only MS Word understands .doc files. Your point? ;)

There are lots of converters between different 3D file formats - but few 
for SDL. This is obviously partly because SDL can describe things that 
aren't polygons - but it's also got a lot to do with SDL being scriptable.

I guess if you could split SDL into a scene *description* language and a 
scene *construction* language, at least the description part should be 
pretty portable. (And if you made it an XML application... OK, I'm 
kidding!!)

You have a kind of similar thing with XSLT. With XSLT, you can take a 
hand-written document and transform it into something more elaborate by 
a sequence of fairly arbitrary transformations, resulting in a new document.

[I think that's the difference really. When you "run" an SDL script, you 
don't end up with a new, finished, description. It exists only 
temporarily while the scene renders. Mind you, in many cases it would be 
*huge*...]

>> OTOH, HTML can be parsed and manipulated with 
>> tools like XSLT by a miriad of programs...
> 
>   OTOH, HTML sucks for creating publications with good layout.

Well, HTML itself doesn't [or shouldn't] do layout. That's what CSS is 
for. And either way, the technology is definitely *not* designed for 
paper. It's designed to look good on a computer screen. Hence a while 
different set of design decisions...

>> - The end result just looks more "formal" and arguably "professional" 
>> than something thrown together with Word [yet takes about the same 
>> amount of effort].
> 
>   LaTeX creates superb scientifical papers by default. OTOH it's not so
> well suitable for other types of publications, for which MS Word may have
> ready templates.

You're probably right about that.

In fact, trying to write my CV with LaTeX proved more or less 
impossible. LaTeX is trying to do all this cleaver automatic layout for 
me, and I'm trying to control it and make it put elements in specific 
places so it fits on one page... I ended up using OO instead.

Similarly, if you wanted to put together something like an advert or 
poster, TeX would be a very bad choice. It's really designed for writing 
long documents, not 1-page custom-layout things like that.

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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 12:03:52
Message: <47c44678$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> This is about the 8th time *this month* that somebody has agreed with
> me... holy crap, I'M ON A ROLL!!!
> 
No, You're not :-)

John

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world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 12:11:00
Message: <47c44824@news.povray.org>

47c4258e$1@news.povray.org...
> This is about the 8th time *this month* that somebody has agreed with 
> me... holy crap, I'M ON A ROLL!!!

No, you're just at the end of an over-extended phase of beta testing. Just a 
few remaining bugs to iron out and you will be a Release Candidate for 
procreation. You already got the hardware, it's really a programming issue.

G.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 12:27:47
Message: <47c44c13@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Similarly, if you wanted to put together something like an advert or 
> poster, TeX would be a very bad choice.

  I don't think MS Word would be the best tool for that either...

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 12:40:47
Message: <47c44f1f$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> - The default typeface is delicious.

I hope you don't mean the ones Knuth designed...

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          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 12:42:15
Message: <47c44f77$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Similarly, if you wanted to put together something like an advert or 
> poster, TeX would be a very bad choice. It's really designed for writing 
> long documents, not 1-page custom-layout things like that.

Technically, it was designed for writing mathematics text books. :-)

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          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 13:09:12
Message: <47c455c8$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Similarly, if you wanted to put together something like an advert or 
>> poster, TeX would be a very bad choice.
> 
>   I don't think MS Word would be the best tool for that either...

Best? No. (Not sure what would be, but NOT Word...)

Better than TeX? Probably. ;-)

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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 13:10:43
Message: <47c45623$1@news.povray.org>
Gilles Tran wrote:

> No, you're just at the end of an over-extended phase of beta testing. Just a 
> few remaining bugs to iron out and you will be a Release Candidate for 
> procreation. You already got the hardware, it's really a programming issue.

Wooohoo! RC FTW!

Maybe it's just all that "be positive" stuff from Hot Sales Girl 
inspiring me or something...

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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 13:11:04
Message: <47c45638$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Similarly, if you wanted to put together something like an advert or 
>> poster, TeX would be a very bad choice. It's really designed for 
>> writing long documents, not 1-page custom-layout things like that.
> 
> Technically, it was designed for writing mathematics text books. :-)

Maybe that's why it suits me so much? ;-)

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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Kewl
Date: 26 Feb 2008 13:11:56
Message: <47c4566c@news.povray.org>
>> - The default typeface is delicious.
> 
> I hope you don't mean the ones Knuth designed...

Gee, I don't know. I just install the TeX package, write a LaTeX 
document, compile it and go. I'm not even exactly sure which typeface it 
uses - only that it looks cool...

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