Invisible wrote:
> The box I was trying to set up as a print server doesn't have X 
> installed. It's just a laptop that sits under the printer to allow it to 
> be networked. So, when you've finished being smart... :-P

how are you attempting to setup a print server remotely when you don't 
even know to use gzip?  Then don't come with those stories of Linux not 
being ready for production because it crashes every time.  Because a 
Linux admin is supposed to have some knowledge when running as root.  No 
yes, no cancellation dialogs, remember?

not like some Windows average user would be any luckier to setup a 
remote print server with an admin account...

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nemesis wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> The box I was trying to set up as a print server doesn't have X 
>> installed. It's just a laptop that sits under the printer to allow it 
>> to be networked. So, when you've finished being smart... :-P
> 
> how are you attempting to setup a print server remotely when you don't 
> even know to use gzip?  Then don't come with those stories of Linux not 
> being ready for production because it crashes every time.

Er, hold on one sec... *WHERE* did I say that Linux crashes all the time 
and isn't production ready? I never said anything of the sort.

What I *actually* said that Linux is more reliable than Windows, just 
harder to set up. [It is after all *designed* for experts.] And, 
unfortunately, you often can't get hold of the necessary hardware 
drivers for things.

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Invisible wrote:
> KNOPPIX [which is based on Debian] and SUSE.
> 
> I have still yet to figure out how on Earth you make it so you can play 
> DVDs...

Knoppix is a LiveCD and while good, if on lower hardware it is indeed 
terribly slow.  Suse is now pretty much a property of M$.

try Ubuntu.  You won't be disappointed.  It's based on Debian too.

the DVD thing, I don't have a DVD drive to test it out, but I think all 
you need is some deCSS implementation and mplayer.  Or perhaps just 
mplayer...

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nemesis wrote:

> Suse is now pretty much a property of M$.

I'm not entirely sure that statement is actually correct.

M$ doesn't *own* Novell. They merely agreed in principle to cooperate in 
their design strategies. That's all. SuSE is still powered by OSS and so 
on and so forth.

> try Ubuntu.  You won't be disappointed.  It's based on Debian too.

How do you even pronounce that? [Not that it matters I guess...]

> the DVD thing, I don't have a DVD drive to test it out, but I think all 
> you need is some deCSS implementation and mplayer.  Or perhaps just 
> mplayer...

Isn't DeCSS illegal?

Anyway, I'll have to check out the SuSE FAQ sometime. I'm *sure* it must 
be in there somewhere...

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Invisible wrote:
> So a company that transports a dirt-cheap commodity item that almost 
> nobody buys makes more money than the company that charges an absolute 
> fortune for it's products, which are used by the entire industrialised 
> world. How does *that* compute?! o_O

you know, that's the way geeks think.  But that's not how the world 
spins.  It's not because you feed yourself just with pizza and cheetos 
that nobody else in the world eats bananas... in fact, it's one of the 
most nutritive fruits out there.  Ask any athlete... if you know one, 
that is... :)

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> nemesis wrote:
>> the DVD thing, I don't have a DVD drive to test it out, but I think 
>> all you need is some deCSS implementation and mplayer.  Or perhaps 
>> just mplayer...
> 
> Isn't DeCSS illegal?

Maybe it is. But it was made so you could play DVDs on Linux. Going 
illegal is the only way, thanks to DRM.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

>> nemesis wrote:
>>> the DVD thing, I don't have a DVD drive to test it out, but I think 
>>> all you need is some deCSS implementation and mplayer.  Or perhaps 
>>> just mplayer...
>>
>> Isn't DeCSS illegal?
> 
> Maybe it is. But it was made so you could play DVDs on Linux. Going 
> illegal is the only way, thanks to DRM.

God damn you DRM!! >_<

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nemesis wrote:

>> So a company that transports a dirt-cheap commodity item that almost 
>> nobody buys makes more money than the company that charges an absolute 
>> fortune for it's products, which are used by the entire industrialised 
>> world. How does *that* compute?! o_O
> 
> you know, that's the way geeks think.  But that's not how the world 
> spins.  It's not because you feed yourself just with pizza and cheetos 
> that nobody else in the world eats bananas... in fact, it's one of the 
> most nutritive fruits out there.  Ask any athlete... if you know one, 
> that is... :)



so... you'd have to eat A LOT of bananas to even approach the amount of 
money that M$ makes on a single transaction.

And these guys don't even *grow* bananas. They most *ship* them. They 


I mean, I guess the numbers must stack up somehow, but DAMN, that's far-out!

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Phil Cook wrote:
> Depends on what you want to run. Again, as has been pointed out before, 
> for basic clerical work Linux works. The problems can be summed up with 
> Nicholas's "That's the *basic* installation method on Linux. If you 
> don't even know how to unpack a .tar.gz... you don't know Linux."

no, this is just plain wrong.  Unless Nicolas is running Slackware, the 
Linux community as a whole has moved from basic 
tarball-source-compile-install to automated dependency-tracking 
repository packages installs.  There's no command-line involved, unless 
you want to.

What I think Nicolas means is that gzip is the *nix standard packing 
format, which it's always been indeed.

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Invisible wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Suse is now pretty much a property of M$.
> 
> I'm not entirely sure that statement is actually correct.
> 
> M$ doesn't *own* Novell. They merely agreed in principle to cooperate in 
> their design strategies. That's all. SuSE is still powered by OSS and so 
> on and so forth.

It's crippled with M$ tech and IP, like mono and all tools which more 
and more depend on it.  That's what Ballmer meant by Linux using M$ IP.

> How do you even pronounce that? [Not that it matters I guess...]

there's an ogg video of Nelson Mandela -- as if you would know who is he 
-- in the Examples directory.  He speaks about the ancient Ubuntu 
african concept...

(Ooboontoo, emphasis on middle syllable, t pronounced kinda like in 
"bottle")

>> the DVD thing, I don't have a DVD drive to test it out, but I think 
>> all you need is some deCSS implementation and mplayer.  Or perhaps 
>> just mplayer...
> 
> Isn't DeCSS illegal?

is it legal to make backup copies of stuff you buy?  Is it legal to get 
rid of stupid mechanisms that don't play well with OSes that don't act 
according to the RIAA and others best interests?

You can make up your own mind or just follow their rules...

> Anyway, I'll have to check out the SuSE FAQ sometime. I'm *sure* it must 
> be in there somewhere...

sure, it's full of M$ IP, why not some RIAA licenses as well...

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