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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>>> Oh, BTW, have Apple added the ability to right-click yet?
>>>
>>
>> You can Ctrl-click to get a popup menu. And many mouses for Mac have
>> two buttons.
>
> ...so basically that's "yes" then. :-)
And you know the best thing? On their laptops, tapping the touchpad with
two fingers instead of just one performs a right-click (I don't think
this is default behaviour, but it's in the desktop settings - and it's
genius).
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scott wrote:
>>> Or send them the core file.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure my employer would freak out about all the potentially
>> confidential data I'd be leaking...
>
> Yeh I have that problem a lot. One of the pieces of software we run
> (not by MS btw!) crashes a lot and they keep requesting I send them my
> files for them to see why it's crashing. Except they're all
> confidential so I can't send them the files. Great. There's not really
> any way to move forward with this...
Well, unless you invite the devs to come camp at your place until the
next time it crashes, and don't let them take any data away with them.
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Bill Pragnell wrote:
> And you know the best thing? On their laptops, tapping the touchpad with
> two fingers instead of just one performs a right-click (I don't think
> this is default behaviour, but it's in the desktop settings - and it's
> genius).
Gah. I *hate* that! I wish I knew how to disable that on my Linux
laptop... You go to make a big mouse movement, which involves lifting
your fingers off the glide pad and putting them down again several
times, and each time you do you end up randomly clicking something on
the screen. GRRR!
--
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> Try
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Undercover-Economist-Tim-Harford/dp/0349119856/ he
> discusses much the same thing though he concentrates on how companies get
> us to differentiate ourselves by the amount we spend. For example
> Sainsbury's bananas are 14p each, Sainsbury's Fair Trade bananas are 22p
> each; do you think the entire extra 8p per banana is going to the grower?
Yeh the article was by him ;-)
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Invisible wrote:
> Bill Pragnell wrote:
>
>> And you know the best thing? On their laptops, tapping the touchpad
>> with two fingers instead of just one performs a right-click (I don't
>> think this is default behaviour, but it's in the desktop settings -
>> and it's genius).
>
> Gah. I *hate* that! I wish I knew how to disable that on my Linux
> laptop... You go to make a big mouse movement, which involves lifting
> your fingers off the glide pad and putting them down again several
> times, and each time you do you end up randomly clicking something on
> the screen. GRRR!
You must be joking! This sort of behaviour is what makes laptops usable
without a mouse. Anyway, it's easy to avoid your problem on the Mac
because the pointer speed varies non-linearly with finger speed. That
is, move quickly and you can go from one side of the desktop to the
other without lifting your finger, but move slowly and you get
pixel-by-pixel accuracy.
Having seen the wealth of desktop settings in e.g. SUSE, I'd be very
surprised if you couldn't set all this and more on your machine.
The other thing I like is scrolling the currently active window by
moving two fingers on the touchpad instead of one. Better than a mouse
scrollwheel cos you can go in any direction. This sort of thing makes
most of my casual desktop use 10x faster than it otherwise would be. :-)
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And lo on Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:37:46 -0000, scott <sco### [at] laptop com> did
spake, saying:
>> Try
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Undercover-Economist-Tim-Harford/dp/0349119856/
>> he discusses much the same thing though he concentrates on how
>> companies get us to differentiate ourselves by the amount we spend. For
>> example Sainsbury's bananas are 14p each, Sainsbury's Fair Trade
>> bananas are 22p each; do you think the entire extra 8p per banana is
>> going to the grower?
>
> Yeh the article was by him ;-)
Heh it's a good book, I don't agree completely with his conclusions of the
Free Market System. From what I recall he tends to skip over the effects
of transparency, and illegality; that is where that 8p goes, how you can
compete with a nation that might enslave their population to work
producing goods, and why we shouldn't follow the Afghan example and grow
poppies
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http://flipc.blogspot.com
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>> Gah. I *hate* that! I wish I knew how to disable that on my Linux
>> laptop... You go to make a big mouse movement, which involves lifting
>> your fingers off the glide pad and putting them down again several
>> times, and each time you do you end up randomly clicking something on
>> the screen. GRRR!
>
> You must be joking! This sort of behaviour is what makes laptops usable
> without a mouse.
On the contrary - this is the number #2 reason for me always plugging a
mouse in. (#1 is that, obviously, a glide pad is, what, 2 inches square?)
> Anyway, it's easy to avoid your problem on the Mac
> because the pointer speed varies non-linearly with finger speed.
Ah-hah! Another thing I really hate... Makes it easy to move the pointer
half way across the screen, but almost impossible to aim at a 1-pixel dot.
> Having seen the wealth of desktop settings in e.g. SUSE, I'd be very
> surprised if you couldn't set all this and more on your machine.
Well, under Windoze the device driver for the glide pad lets you change
it. I had assumed it's a software thing, but under SUSE the glide pad
seems to malfunction in exactly the same way, so it must be hardware...
> The other thing I like is scrolling the currently active window by
> moving two fingers on the touchpad instead of one.
Ah, yet another thing I really hate about using the glide pad. "Oh, I
accidentally touched the pad slightly too far to the side, now it thinks
I want to *scroll* this window rather than point at the one behind it". >_<
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Invisible wrote:
> Ah, yet another thing I really hate about using the glide pad. "Oh, I
> accidentally touched the pad slightly too far to the side, now it thinks
> I want to *scroll* this window rather than point at the one behind it". >_<
Oh well, we're going to have to agree to differ on this one!
I see a lot of people using laptops, and hardly any of them use tapping
the pad as a mouse click, preferring to use the buttons (often with
their other hand!). I find this tedious and slow.
If you're used to linear pointer speeds and no additional pad
functionality I guess it will take some practice and getting used to.
Bizarrely, I used to hate the turbo-mouse behaviour when actually using
a mouse, but found it really easy with the pad.
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Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Oh well, we're going to have to agree to differ on this one!
Fair enough. It's a free country... ;-)
> I see a lot of people using laptops, and hardly any of them use tapping
> the pad as a mouse click, preferring to use the buttons (often with
> their other hand!). I find this tedious and slow.
Well, you can't type with one hand anyway, so you might as well use both
to work the glide pad.
As for the scroll pads... now if there was some kind of divider between
the part of the pad that scrolls things and the part that moves the
mouse, that would be fine. (Indeed, having a vertical strip of pad would
probably be easier than a scroll wheel - it's bigger after all.) But
with no dividing line, it's frustratingly hard to make the thing do what
you actually want.
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Invisible wrote:
> Bill Pragnell wrote:
>> I see a lot of people using laptops, and hardly any of them use
>> tapping the pad as a mouse click, preferring to use the buttons (often
>> with their other hand!). I find this tedious and slow.
>
> Well, you can't type with one hand anyway, so you might as well use both
> to work the glide pad.
True, but if you're using keyboard shortcuts a lot then you *can* use
one hand (say, moving blocks of text or code around in an editor
window), and then a tap-click is much more convenient.
> As for the scroll pads... now if there was some kind of divider between
> the part of the pad that scrolls things and the part that moves the
> mouse, that would be fine. (Indeed, having a vertical strip of pad would
> probably be easier than a scroll wheel - it's bigger after all.) But
> with no dividing line, it's frustratingly hard to make the thing do what
> you actually want.
My HP windoze laptop has exactly that - a thin strip on the right edge
of the touchpad that does the job of a scroll wheel. It's just so
frustrating, when switching from the Mac to the PC, expecting the (to
me) wonderful, convenient navigation and having to fanny around with
scrollbar buttons or switch to using the keyboard instead... :)
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