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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>
>>>> Only hyper-nerds are going to be able to get anything remotely
>>>> useful out of a dump file. To everybody else, it's just wasted disk
>>>> space.
>>>
>>> Generally, the source code is sufficient.
>>
>> Cool. Let me just contact the makers of every device driver I'm
>> running and we can see where th... no, wait, that won't work. ;-)
>
> Or send them the core file.
I'm pretty sure my employer would freak out about all the potentially
confidential data I'd be leaking...
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Darren New wrote:
> The original UNIX *design* was clean too, but the accumulation of
> historical file names is nasty. The other ugliness, IMO, is the number
> of places where an API is not provided but instead it's a file format,
> or a library, or something like that. Stuff like opening a directory as
> a file to read the directory (cured when BSD 4 forced a directory format
> changed), reading /etc/passwd and parsing it to get information (cured
> when shadow password files became common), etc.
The amount of backwards compatibility in Unix is scary. (E.g., do you
know how many signals "init" responds to? Lots.)
OTOH, have you looked at the IA-32 manuals? There's a huge wedge of the
stuff in there too... :-S
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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
>> It's funny - I go into the Apple stores around here and ask to see their
>> 64-bit machines, and the salesmen look at me like I have three heads or
>> something. You'd think someone selling something even as user-friendly
>> as Macs would know what that expression means.
>
> Well, the whole point of Macs is that you don't have to know how
> it works. No wonder salesmen don't either. ;)
LOL! That's really cute...
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
>> Anyway, whatever. I doubt running highly compute-intensive applications
>> in Parallels is a good idea...
>
> Possibly, I haven't tested Parallels actually. Over Xen
> compute-intensive applications work nicely.
Well, we'll see. :-P
>>> No, you'll first need to find out what's it like and then decide if it's
>>> what you'll want.
>> Heh. Well. No obvious way to do that...
>
> You find that Apple store again and start clicking. ;)
Yeah, but, in a shop you can't really get the same feel for it as
sitting at home and using it every single day.
Oh, BTW, have Apple added the ability to right-click yet?
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> Oh, BTW, have Apple added the ability to right-click yet?
>
You can Ctrl-click to get a popup menu. And many mouses for Mac have two
buttons.
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>> Well, if you decide exactly what hardware goes in, you can select only
>> supported hardware. Easy. :-D
>
> As a consumer, I don't, though. The vendor builds the machine with
> functioning hardware.
...which is what I meant. If HP gets to pick what hardware goes in, they
can pick exactly the hardware that works with whichever OS they're
preloading.
> Now of all of these machines, which one has the most problems, do you
> think?
>
> Yep, it's the WINDOWS machine.
:-| <== not shocked face.
> My wife has run Linux on her laptop since the day we got it, and hasn't
> had any serious problems with it. "Ah, but she has you to fix anything
> she has trouble with", I hear you say. Yes, but I can't remember the
> last time I did anything on her machine other than shut it off at night.
> She's pretty non-technical, but she's managed to figure out how to use
> it, and she's shown some of our neighbors who were curious about Linux.
Like I said, Linux has now become pretty easy to use once it's set up
right. I find it's still tricky to set it up correctly sometimes, but
once it works it's really not much different to Windoze. [Except no
random OS crashes.]
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> Yes, but at first you do need to make an effort. Also note that there is
> a difference between "easy to use" and "works exactly the same way
> Windows does". Most people confuse the two, and say it's not easy to use
> because it isn't Windows.
I'd rather say "most current Windows users". People who aren't used to
computers at all aren't going to care either way.
> I use Linux every day for work. I'm using it right now. I've used it
> for 10 years (from when it was actively user-hostile). I also have used
> Windows extensively, and while I dislike Windows, if it were the optimum
> choice for me, I'd use it. Given the choice, I'd use Linux any day of
> the week and twice on Sunday.
I tried to go down that road. I found too many things I couldn't do
without Windoze. Sadly...
> My HP Pavilion workstation came with Vista. What a load of horse crap
> that is.
It's becoming seriously difficult to find a machine that comes with
something that isn't Vista... This does not amuse me.
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> Oh, BTW, have Apple added the ability to right-click yet?
>>
>
> You can Ctrl-click to get a popup menu. And many mouses for Mac have two
> buttons.
...so basically that's "yes" then. :-)
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:54:29 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>> Well, if you decide exactly what hardware goes in, you can select only
>>> supported hardware. Easy. :-D
>>
>> As a consumer, I don't, though. The vendor builds the machine with
>> functioning hardware.
>
> ...which is what I meant. If HP gets to pick what hardware goes in, they
> can pick exactly the hardware that works with whichever OS they're
> preloading.
Sure. Now, how surprised are you going to be when I tell you that my HP
didn't come with openSUSE installed, but with Vista installed, and I
installed openSUSE with no problems? (Only thing not working is
wireless, and I don't care about that - but I understand there are
drivers for Linux for it, just can't be bothered). This thing's got an
Nvidia chipset ethernet card in it, not exactly a common type of ethernet
card, at least not in my experience.
>> Now of all of these machines, which one has the most problems, do you
>> think?
>>
>> Yep, it's the WINDOWS machine.
>
> :-| <== not shocked face.
Given that you're on v7, I'm not surprised. :-)
>> My wife has run Linux on her laptop since the day we got it, and hasn't
>> had any serious problems with it. "Ah, but she has you to fix anything
>> she has trouble with", I hear you say. Yes, but I can't remember the
>> last time I did anything on her machine other than shut it off at
>> night. She's pretty non-technical, but she's managed to figure out how
>> to use it, and she's shown some of our neighbors who were curious about
>> Linux.
>
> Like I said, Linux has now become pretty easy to use once it's set up
> right. I find it's still tricky to set it up correctly sometimes, but
> once it works it's really not much different to Windoze. [Except no
> random OS crashes.]
It can be, particularly with laptops. As I said, 5 years ago, it was
fairly painful on laptops (in particular), but today the support is very
good.
Jim
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:56:48 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> Yes, but at first you do need to make an effort. Also note that there
>> is a difference between "easy to use" and "works exactly the same way
>> Windows does". Most people confuse the two, and say it's not easy to
>> use because it isn't Windows.
>
> I'd rather say "most current Windows users". People who aren't used to
> computers at all aren't going to care either way.
Possibly.
>> I use Linux every day for work. I'm using it right now. I've used it
>> for 10 years (from when it was actively user-hostile). I also have
>> used Windows extensively, and while I dislike Windows, if it were the
>> optimum choice for me, I'd use it. Given the choice, I'd use Linux any
>> day of the week and twice on Sunday.
>
> I tried to go down that road. I found too many things I couldn't do
> without Windoze. Sadly...
Like what? I do have a couple apps that I need Windows for, and I have a
VMware machine for those circumstances. Like the odd MS Excel XML
document that won't open in OpenOffice (had one a couple days ago like
that). Usually they open fine, but every once in a while the converter
just seizes up.
Similarly, I've found no OSS product that compares to Mappoint. But now
with a GPS for my phone, I don't need that app.
>> My HP Pavilion workstation came with Vista. What a load of horse crap
>> that is.
>
> It's becoming seriously difficult to find a machine that comes with
> something that isn't Vista... This does not amuse me.
Nor me. My experience with Vista was bad. Very bad. You just won't
believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly bad it was. I mean, it's a
long way from my experience with XP, but that's just peanuts to Vista!
Listen!.... (and so on)
Jim
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