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Eero Ahonen wrote:
>> OTOH, I have many hundreds of pounds worth of software that won't work
>> on it. Which is fine I guess - I just keep *that* software on my PC
>> instead. But then... what exactly am I going to use this shiny new Mac
>> for?
>
> Desktop computing. You'll run 'bout everything you can on it and use VNC
> session to hold the Windows -PC in touch. OR you can use Parallels and
> install and use both OSX and WinXP on that MacMini.
Most LOL-inducing moments: Standing in PC World and looking at the "Why
Mac?" sticker on the shelf.
"#7: It runs Micro$oft Office."
Uh, dude, isn't the whole *point* of a Mac to get *away* from M$
products? :-P
Anyway, whatever. I doubt running highly compute-intensive applications
in Parallels is a good idea...
>> But... I don't know... Do I
>
> No, you'll first need to find out what's it like and then decide if it's
> what you'll want.
Heh. Well. No obvious way to do that...
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"Eero Ahonen" <aer### [at] removethis zbxtnetinvalid> wrote in message
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>
> Vista's getting a lot of angry comments now and it hasn't got it's
> footprint out (yet). If MS broke backward compatibility totally now, how
> would you think Vista would be selling?
Pretty much not at all.
Talking about Vista, word is that MS has written that off as a mistake and
is hard at work on its replacement (Windows 7). A full year or more ahead of
their plans....
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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> >> but I don't actually know who Walmart are, so...]
> >
> > sigh.
>
> Well I don't live in America, do I? :-P
Neither do I.
I still know what Walmart is and why people consider it an evil empire
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Gail Shaw escribió:
> "Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote in message
> news:47b20953$1@news.povray.org...
>> Gail Shaw escribi�:
>>> Nope. That's paging. Lots of set-based solutions to that (exact
>>> implementation depending on the db engine you want to run it)
>>>
>> Like the LIMIT clause?
>
> Is that Oracle? Not offhand familar with it.
No, I'm only familiar with MySQL.
LIMIT {[offset,] row_count | row_count OFFSET offset}
Goes after the WHERE clause.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Just being curios... What's a 'cursor', and why is that bad?
As for the "what is it", it's a structure that lets you loop through
results inside a stored procedure. I.e., a cursor pointing into a table
where you can do things like "get the next row".
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"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote in message
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> > Is that Oracle? Not offhand familar with it.
>
> No, I'm only familiar with MySQL.
>
> LIMIT {[offset,] row_count | row_count OFFSET offset}
>
> Goes after the WHERE clause.
OK. Haven't done much MySQL either. That looks good for paging then, seeing
as it has an offset. That's one down side of top in SQL server. You can't
ask for the 'next' top 30 easily
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Darren New wrote:
> And no, it's not just something doing a global grab or something. Cursor
> locks up, and it doesn't answer pings.
sorry to hear that. Perhaps swap got full?...
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nemesis wrote:
> no, I'm simply saying that those "multiple operating systems" are using
> the same old code from the same single company to handle old apps, so
> that doesn't count as multiple operating systems.
Well, no, they're not. That's just factually incorrect. If that was the
case, DOS programs couldn't write to files on NTFS partitions or access
network shares, nor would software that writes directly to the screen
work inside a window.
> A pure Java/Python/whatever program using standard interprocess
> communication channels to deal with the underlying OS and using a
> cross-platform GUI such as Swing/GTK+ will run in pretty much any major
> OS unaltered.
OK, that's a library.
> Blender the graphical modeller has its interface
> implemented in OpenGL, which means little problem porting it everywhere.
> Coding a database using strict ISO SQL will make it pretty much
> portable among many implementations.
I.e., you've pushed off the work of porting your stuff to the author of
the interpreter.
Yet "mono" for some reason is "proprietary Microsoft code"?
>> The internet doesn't make programs run cross-platform. It just gives
>> you a way to access them when they're running on someone else's platform.
>
> It doesn't really matter where a web app is running as long as it does
> what I mean.
That doesn't make it "cross-platform".
>
>>> quite a few cross-platform development languages (Java, Python, Perl
>>> etc)
>>
>> And BASIC. Which used to run everywhere. And was promoted and
>> implemented by MS (amongst others).
>
> Visual Basic is not plain Basic.
Who put the word "visual" in there? You *are* aware that MS has been
making BASIC interpreters since like Atari 800 days, right?
>> Except they don't provide executables.
> They sure do. And they are truly cross-platform.
Python compiles down to an executable I can run on both Windows and
Linux without installing a Python interpreter? Cool.
>> I agree that open source software is probably a better way to do
>> stuff, as long as you aren't worried about making a living at it.
>
> the folks at RedHat or Novell seem to be doing fine.
Yeah, much much better than Microsoft.
>
>> Uh, so, how much Linux software runs without recompiling under
>> Solaris? Does that actually work?
>
> no, different executable format. One of the areas that are not
> standardized.
Bingo.
> But the source is there
... if you don't mind giving it away ...
> If you want truly cross-platform apps without recompiling, target a
> programming language with a cross-platform runtime. You won't need to
> recompile your apps, but should install the proper runtime for your
> system, which will be provided from the people who compiled them to your
> system.
Yep. In other words, recompile. As opposed to Microsoft, which manages
to do it without recompiling and without a "cross-platform language".
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>
>> Do you seriously think you can add support for VM, protected mode,
>> networking, and lots of different kinds of hardware without making the
>> OS more complicated?
>
> I guess the killer question is "can you do it without making it buggy".
It's a question of expense. I, personally, have never had my machine
crash because of a bug in the VM code that Microsoft wrote. At least, as
far as I know.
I think it's generally other parts of the code that crash.
> I was programming in Pascal - why?
Fair enough. Pascal can be fairly safe if you're not using too many
dynamic structures.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>
>>> Only hyper-nerds are going to be able to get anything remotely useful
>>> out of a dump file. To everybody else, it's just wasted disk space.
>>
>> Generally, the source code is sufficient.
>
> Cool. Let me just contact the makers of every device driver I'm running
> and we can see where th... no, wait, that won't work. ;-)
Or send them the core file.
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