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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> [12 monkeys] involves Bruce Willis in a dystopian future and a team of
> scientists who keep sending him back in time to try to avert the terrorist
> catastrophy that overtook civilisation ...
> Basically, a very bad film that barely makes sense.
No, they didn't send him back to *avert* the catastrophe. This isn't possible as
it has already happend. That is being said very often in the movie. If you
didn't get that it's pretty obvious why you find that the movie doesn't make
sense.
In this movie the past (and thus the presence) can't be changed by traveling
back in time. That's what makes the whole thing interesting and keeps the film
coherent. He only tries to collect info which could help to find an antidote
for the virus.
The imho most interesting part of the whole story is, that the hints from the
past he is following turn out to be actually bred by him when he was there
trying to follow them.
Yes that makes sense. Just read it a couple of times :)
Regards Roman
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Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
> I've seen quite a few, but I try to stay away from the bad ones.
That's called "prejudice".
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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever... *12 Monkeys SPOILER*
Date: 5 Jan 2008 11:33:42
Message: <477fb166$1@news.povray.org>
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Warp wrote:
> Twelve Monkeys is one of the best movies I have seen. If I remember
> correctly, I have seen it 4 times, and each time I have got something
> new from it.
Agreed (except for the 4 times bit - I may have seen it even more).
It's a movie where it seems every action and every line of dialog
served some purpose - nothing was wasted.
One flaw in the movie, though. Those who have not seen the movie may
want to skip the rest of this message.
The psychologist keeps saying (in 1994) that she feels she has seen him
before. That made no sense, whatsoever. She hadn't.
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"I've dropped my toothpaste," said Tom, crestfallen.
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anl
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Darren New wrote:
>> Ditto for 2001. (Seemingly a random selection of camera angles.)
>
> It was a special-effects movie.The book makes more sense.
Yes - he had to make up for the movie.<G>
For those who don't know, the script for the movie was written first.
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Invisible wrote:
> I suspect it's actually *not* about maths, but about some theory that
Of course not. A movie about maths would be boring.
It's a great movie. Dark, though. And I don't just mean the print quality.
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Darren New wrote:
> That's one of the several ways in which you can have designed humans
> without God, which is why I don't understand the position of "evolution
> has problems, therefore it must be God." :-)
Conversely, I get tired of hearing, "God has problems, so it must be
evolution."
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Invisible wrote:
>> You mean 12 Monkeys. It's not supposed to make sense til the end.
>
> It didn't make sense even at the end.
>
> But then, the film was so unrelentingly depressing that by then I'd
> given up *trying* to understand it.
I wish I had a life where 12 Monkeys was one of the most depressing
things I had seen...
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever... *12 Monkeys SPOILER*
Date: 5 Jan 2008 11:56:51
Message: <477fb6d3@news.povray.org>
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Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> The psychologist keeps saying (in 1994) that she feels she has seen him
> before. That made no sense, whatsoever. She hadn't.
Maybe that was not the first time he was in the past?-)
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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever... *12 Monkeys SPOILER*
Date: 5 Jan 2008 12:35:33
Message: <477fbfe5$1@news.povray.org>
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Warp wrote:
> Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
>> The psychologist keeps saying (in 1994) that she feels she has seen him
>> before. That made no sense, whatsoever. She hadn't.
>
> Maybe that was not the first time he was in the past?-)
Or maybe thats just a basic, human error humans sometime make?
I haven't seent the movie though, so maybe I'm guessing wrong. ;-)
Regards,
Tim
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aka "Tim Nikias"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever... *12 Monkeys SPOILER*
Date: 5 Jan 2008 13:29:47
Message: <477fcc9b@news.povray.org>
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Tim Nikias <JUS### [at] gmxnetware> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> >> The psychologist keeps saying (in 1994) that she feels she has seen him
> >> before. That made no sense, whatsoever. She hadn't.
> >
> > Maybe that was not the first time he was in the past?-)
> Or maybe thats just a basic, human error humans sometime make?
What's wrong with retconning?
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