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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 06:40:42
Message: <4786043a@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> Agreed.  We haven't seen the second one because the first was so 
> disappointing; I'll probably flix it just to see the Silver Surfer 
> effects.

  I don't rate the second one very high either.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 06:44:21
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Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
>         But anyway, I get amused with comments about "bad acting". What exactly
> is bad acting? Can't seem to come up with an objective criterion.

  Acting is bad when you notice that they are acting, ie. when it makes
you think something negative about the acting. When you don't notice, ie.
you don't pay any thought about the acting, it's acceptable.

  Defining *good* acting is harder, though.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 06:47:10
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Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Jar Jar was annoying

  I have always noticed that I'm different than the majority of people,
and this is no exception: Jar Jar was not annoying when I watched the
movie for first time, and neither when I watched it a second time.

  I actually found Yoda to be much more annoying the first time he appears
on screen in the older trilogy.

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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 06:59:53
Message: <478608b9$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Jar Jar was annoying
> 
>   I have always noticed that I'm different than the majority of people,
> and this is no exception: Jar Jar was not annoying when I watched the
> movie for first time, and neither when I watched it a second time.
> 
>   I actually found Yoda to be much more annoying the first time he appears
> on screen in the older trilogy.

That's fair enough. Yoda was supposed to be annoying, at least to start 
with - he appeared to be hindering Luke's quest.

Jar Jar is the same - he clearly tests the patience of the Jedi by his 
clumsiness and carefree demeanor. That's all I meant, really, he didn't 
spoil the film for me. Many people say they would have liked EpI were it 
not for Jar Jar; I suspect these people would have found fault with the 
film anyway.


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From: Paul Fuller
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 08:49:20
Message: <47862260$1@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:47839f0a$1@news.povray.org...
> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/08/funny-pictures-is-fulla-starz/
>>>> http://www.xkcd.com/224/
>>> Huh? Related how?
>> "My God, it's full of CARs..." ;-)
> 
> The comic you linked to is titled Lisp, and wonders if god constructed the
> universe using lisp.
> 
> 
Perhaps you have not been subjected to LISP Gail.  (Apologies in advance 
if you have).

Two of the fundamental operations are taking the head item of a list 
using CAR and taking the remainder of the list using CDR.

Sounds complete nonsense until you learn that CAR stands for 'Contents 
of the Address Register' and CDR stands for 'Contents of the Decrement 
Register' and that LISP is from LISt Programming.  It is all about 
processing lists, including lists of data and lists of instructions. 
CAR and CDR were the assembler code mnemonics for the instructions that 
performed the operations on some ancient machine (IBM 704 ?).  Actually 
I think they may have been assembler macros that expanded into a few 
machine instructions each.  Anyway programmers used to write this stuff 
by hand.  Later LISP would translate the program text into the instructions.

Starter exercises in LISP are all about understanding what (CAR (CDR '(A 
B C))) returns.

So it is a neat pun and I had a chuckle at the cartoon.

Now I'm going to BXLE out of here.


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 09:22:37
Message: <op.t4pwr81kc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:59:34 -0000, Bill Pragnell  
<bil### [at] hotmailcom> did spake, saying:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> I think the actors tried hard, but the script, as you say, was sub-par.
>>>   Additionally, Lucas wasn't interested in honing dialogue or shooting
>>> any re-takes at all (except for completely fluffed lines, sets falling
>>> over etc). Consequently, the action and effects are awesome but the
>>> actual character interaction feels really fake and unbelievable.
>>  Oh, I do think that the actors tried hard and didn't have a lot to  
>> work with, absolutely.  Agreed 100%.
>
> There is one scene in EpIII that I think transcends the normal StarWars  
> feel with powerful, subtle meaning: the completely dialogue-free scene  
> where Anakin and Padme are in separate locations across the Capital,  
> each looking toward where they know the other must be and each thinking  
> about the other. It's just before Anakin makes the decision that pushes  
> him past the point of no return - to go to Palpatine's office when Windu  
> tries to arrest him. It might just be me, but I really like that scene.

The major difficulty was trying to believe that Anakin loved Amadala so  
much he'd turn to the darkside to save her; as has been mentioned the  
spark just wasn't there.

>> I guess it's fair to say that going into ep1 I had no expectations, but  
>> then I was confronted with Jar Jar, and I just wanted to hit something  
>> Lucas-like.
>
> Jar Jar was annoying, but I didn't think EpI was as bad as everyone else  
> thinks. I absolutely love the podrace, even if they did use F1 car sound  
> effects when they should have been using turbine engines!

My problem with the podrace was thinking "Ah yes let's stick a race in the  
middle of this film so we've got something to liven up the inevitable game  
version"

>> I really liked the uncut version of Blade Runner better than the  
>> theatrical release specifically for this matter; RS was told he needed  
>> a "clean" ending with no uncertainty, but his original vision was far,  
>> far better because you just didn't know how things ended up.

Ah yes the 'we know the audience better then you do' approach "Ending not  
clear, Me no understand, is sequel coming? Me not happy. Hulk smash!"

> Best lightsaber fight of the series. Best effects shot (for me) - when  
> the Falcon escapes Bespin at full pelt with the sun peeking from behind  
> the planet in the background. Best acted scene of the series - "I love  
> you" - "I know". And no ewoks! ;-)

ESB was the best of the original three, which in turn automatically makes  
it the best of the six ;-)

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 11:09:01
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Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > ESB was definitely the best of the bunch - I really liked that one.

> Best lightsaber fight of the series.

  Episode 1 had the best lightsaber fight by far.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 11:11:22
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Warp wrote:
> Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>>> ESB was definitely the best of the bunch - I really liked that one.
> 
>> Best lightsaber fight of the series.
> 
>   Episode 1 had the best lightsaber fight by far.

Did you see the YouTube video where they took the fight scene from 
Episode III and played it at 2x speed?

Damn that was amusing...

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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 11:17:15
Message: <4786450b$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>>> ESB was definitely the best of the bunch - I really liked that one.
> 
>> Best lightsaber fight of the series.
> 
>   Episode 1 had the best lightsaber fight by far.

I had to think carefully to put ESB ahead of PM, because PM's duel is 
indeed superb. The swordplay is definitely better. And bonus points to 
the double blade. However, I have to give it to ESB because of the 
setting, the context, the climax, and the fact that lots of scenery gets 
chopped up convincingly. :-)


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 10 Jan 2008 12:11:35
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Darren New wrote:
> Bad acting is where they act like actors instead of like the characters
> they're supposed to be. It includes body language, for example. :-)

	And you know how the characters are *supposed* to behave?

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