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From: Rune
Subject: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 07:12:12
Message: <476e509c@news.povray.org>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122102544_pf.html

"The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's largest 
computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a project that would 
give the government unprecedented abilities to identify individuals in the 
United States and abroad.

(...) In the coming years, law enforcement authorities around the world will 
be able to rely on iris patterns, face-shape data, scars and perhaps even 
the unique ways people walk and talk, to solve crimes and identify criminals 
and terrorists. The FBI will also retain, upon request by employers, the 
fingerprints of employees who have undergone criminal background checks so 
the employers can be notified if employees have brushes with the law."

Hello Big Brother...

Rune
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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 07:32:33
Message: <476e5561$1@news.povray.org>
Rune wrote:
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122102544_pf.html
> 
> "The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's largest 
> computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a project that would 
> give the government unprecedented abilities to identify individuals in the 
> United States and abroad.
> 
> (...) In the coming years, law enforcement authorities around the world will 
> be able to rely on iris patterns, face-shape data, scars and perhaps even 
> the unique ways people walk and talk, to solve crimes and identify criminals 
> and terrorists. The FBI will also retain, upon request by employers, the 
> fingerprints of employees who have undergone criminal background checks so 
> the employers can be notified if employees have brushes with the law."
> 
> Hello Big Brother...

Hello Big Brother, you say, but *I* say...it would be interesting to 
take the data and average each set to get a composite 'American' of each 
gender.

-- 
Tim Cook
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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 07:41:43
Message: <476e5787@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <aut### [at] runevisioncom> wrote in message
news:476e509c@news.povray.org...
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122102
544_pf.html
>
> "The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's largest
> computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a project that
would
> give the government unprecedented abilities to identify individuals in the
> United States and abroad.

Oh my. I so want to know how they're going to store and search that volume
of data. Facial recognition is still a 'difficult' problem in AI


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 07:43:19
Message: <476e57e7@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:

> Oh my. I so want to know how they're going to store and search that volume
> of data. Facial recognition is still a 'difficult' problem in AI

Perhaps they plan to just store all this data anyway, and hope that in 
10 years' time the technology to *use* it will be invented? ;-)

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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 07:43:41
Message: <476e57fd$1@news.povray.org>
Damn. I was hoping they'd found a way to predict the future...

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 07:56:09
Message: <476e5ae9$1@news.povray.org>
"Tim Cook" wrote:
> Hello Big Brother, you say, but *I* say...it would be interesting to take 
> the data and average each set to get a composite 'American' of each 
> gender.

Yeah, for about two minutes.

Rune
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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 08:48:23
Message: <476E672D.8060905@hotmail.com>
Tim Cook wrote:
> Rune wrote:
>>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122102544_pf.html

>>
>>
>> "The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's 
>> largest computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a 
>> project that would give the government unprecedented abilities to 
>> identify individuals in the United States and abroad.
>>
>> (...) In the coming years, law enforcement authorities around the 
>> world will be able to rely on iris patterns, face-shape data, scars 
>> and perhaps even the unique ways people walk and talk, to solve crimes 
>> and identify criminals and terrorists. The FBI will also retain, upon 
>> request by employers, the fingerprints of employees who have undergone 
>> criminal background checks so the employers can be notified if 
>> employees have brushes with the law."
>>
>> Hello Big Brother...
> 
> Hello Big Brother, you say, but *I* say...it would be interesting to 
> take the data and average each set to get a composite 'American' of each 
> gender.
> 
Yes, you would expect the average fingerprint and iris pattern to be 
flat, but may be it isn't. Could be a big leap for science.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 11:01:37
Message: <476e8661$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/23 07:32:
> Rune wrote:
>>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122102544_pf.html

>>
>>
>> "The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's 
>> largest computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a 
>> project that would give the government unprecedented abilities to 
>> identify individuals in the United States and abroad.
>>
>> (...) In the coming years, law enforcement authorities around the 
>> world will be able to rely on iris patterns, face-shape data, scars 
>> and perhaps even the unique ways people walk and talk, to solve crimes 
>> and identify criminals and terrorists. The FBI will also retain, upon 
>> request by employers, the fingerprints of employees who have undergone 
>> criminal background checks so the employers can be notified if 
>> employees have brushes with the law."
>>
>> Hello Big Brother...
> 
> Hello Big Brother, you say, but *I* say...it would be interesting to 
> take the data and average each set to get a composite 'American' of each 
> gender.
> 
You don't need that many samples to get the average figure. About 1000 randomly 
picked face shots usualy is enough. You go in each states and take a photo of 20 
random passerbys. That's for the faces. For the whole body, a sampling of about 
200 to 300 should be enough.

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Alain
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will get out of it.


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 11:06:50
Message: <476e879a$1@news.povray.org>
"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message

> Yes, you would expect the average fingerprint and iris pattern to be
> flat, but may be it isn't.

There are already large databases of fingerprint and iris patterns. It
doesn't take much to overlay all the fingerprint patterns there, and I'm
sure similar things have been done.

> Could be a big leap for science.

I don't see how. Does any theory depend on a particular outome?


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Minority Report anyone?
Date: 23 Dec 2007 11:17:49
Message: <476E8A33.4090101@hotmail.com>
somebody wrote:
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> 
>> Yes, you would expect the average fingerprint and iris pattern to be
>> flat, but may be it isn't.
> 
> There are already large databases of fingerprint and iris patterns. It
> doesn't take much to overlay all the fingerprint patterns there, and I'm
> sure similar things have been done.
> 
>> Could be a big leap for science.
> 
> I don't see how. Does any theory depend on a particular outome?
> 
It is a bit outside my field, but my guess would be: no.

FYI I tried to be sarcastic and apparently failed.


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