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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 00:07:44
Message: <46ecac10$1@news.povray.org>
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Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> I've got an idea for a novel which involves a group of kids taking on or
> thwarting an oppressive alien civilization. Problem is, for my plot to make
> sense, the aliens have been killing a bunch of them before they figure out
> they are even oppressed by aliens and then continue to do so as they figure
> out how to fight back. I want the kids to be heroes and show how they
> figure out the problem and fight back, from their eyes. For the story to
> make any sense, it's better for them to be under voting age. The older
> they are, the plot doesn't make sense. The younger they are, I imagine
> you're more at risk of either violating PC sensibilities or actually
> scaring people.
>
> Can you show 10-year olds in a sort of "The Poseidon Adventure" epic where
> not all the ones you introduce the reader to survive by the end?
Battle Royale much?
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Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 05:58:51
Message: <46ecfe5b@news.povray.org>
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Greg M. Johnson <pte### [at] thecommononethatstartswithycom> wrote:
> Can you show 10-year olds in a sort of "The Poseidon Adventure" epic where
> not all the ones you introduce the reader to survive by the end?
You are going to offend someone.
This can of course be understood completely in the wrong way, but children
are the Holy Cows of the later 20th century and the 21st. Even completely
fictitious accounts of maltreatment is seen as a tabu. I think it has gone
a bit overboard.
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- Warp
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From: somebody
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 10:52:44
Message: <46ed433c@news.povray.org>
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"Greg M. Johnson" <pte### [at] thecommononethatstartswithYcom> wrote
> [...]
> they are, the plot doesn't make sense. The younger they are, I imagine
> you're more at risk of either violating PC sensibilities or actually
> scaring people.
>
> Can you show 10-year olds in a sort of "The Poseidon Adventure" epic where
> not all the ones you introduce the reader to survive by the end?
Of course you can. Granted, sci-fi of any sort (except maybe the fluff that
starts with "Star" and masquerades as sci-fi) will have very limited appeal
to readers/viewers in general.
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 13:39:26
Message: <46ed6a4e@news.povray.org>
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:58:51 -0400, Warp wrote:
> You are going to offend someone.
That's *generally* true, isn't it? (ie, no matter what you do, you're
going to offend someone)
Jim
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 13:41:55
Message: <46ed6ae3@news.povray.org>
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:58:51 -0400, Warp wrote:
> > You are going to offend someone.
> That's *generally* true, isn't it? (ie, no matter what you do, you're
> going to offend someone)
Yeah, but in this case with a much higher probability.
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- Warp
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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 14:07:56
Message: <46ed70fc$1@news.povray.org>
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>> That's *generally* true, isn't it? (ie, no matter what you do, you're
>> going to offend someone)
>
> Yeah, but in this case with a much higher probability.
Nuke gay baby whales for Jesus!
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 14:47:19
Message: <46ed7a37$1@news.povray.org>
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:41:55 -0400, Warp wrote:
> Yeah, but in this case with a much higher probability.
Possibly, yes.
Jim
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 17:13:59
Message: <46ed9c97@news.povray.org>
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:41:55 -0400, Warp wrote:
> > Yeah, but in this case with a much higher probability.
> Possibly, yes.
Not that I'm opposed to the original idea. I'm just stating the
sad facts.
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- Warp
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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 17:21:25
Message: <46ed9e55@news.povray.org>
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Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> Can you show 10-year olds in a sort of "The Poseidon Adventure" epic where
> not all the ones you introduce the reader to survive by the end?
You have to explain why the parents of these children don't do
everything they can to protect them, and if the plot depends on children
figuring things out before the adults do, that also requires an explanation.
If the aliens are offing the kids but leaving the adults alone, that
also requires an explanation.
If the enemy regards humans as vermin, then it makes perfect (albeit
evil) sense for them to kill off any children who get into a position to
offer effective resistance.
Regards,
John
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From: andrel
Subject: Re: How politically incorrect is the death of children in sci-fi?
Date: 16 Sep 2007 18:15:07
Message: <46EDABEA.9060302@hotmail.com>
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Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> I've got an idea for a novel which involves a group of kids taking on or
> thwarting an oppressive alien civilization. Problem is, for my plot to make
> sense, the aliens have been killing a bunch of them before they figure out
> they are even oppressed by aliens and then continue to do so as they figure
> out how to fight back. I want the kids to be heroes and show how they
> figure out the problem and fight back, from their eyes. For the story to
> make any sense, it's better for them to be under voting age. The older
> they are, the plot doesn't make sense. The younger they are, I imagine
> you're more at risk of either violating PC sensibilities or actually
> scaring people.
My first reaction was: 'huh, we are talking about fiction'. Judging from
the other reactions you are apparently correct in assuming this may be a
problem. So I am not fully in touch with current PC.
Another reaction is: Have you read the latest Harry Potter? Kids as
heroes and under voting age deaths, (though possibly not named ones, I
do not remember the details).
Yet another: don't advertise it as a book for children.
>
> Can you show 10-year olds in a sort of "The Poseidon Adventure" epic where
> not all the ones you introduce the reader to survive by the end?
>
As is probably evident from the above: I would have absolutely no
problems with it.
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