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From: Elias Pschernig
Subject: media and output_alpha ?
Date: 3 Jul 2001 10:16:49
Message: <3b41d3d1$1@news.povray.org>
When I set output_alpha to on, it sets the whole media container to alpha 255.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks

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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: media and output_alpha ?
Date: 3 Jul 2001 16:54:11
Message: <i6c4ktob6q2jiooa385emoood1nv2eoghm@4ax.com>
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:16:48 +0200, "Elias Pschernig"
<eli### [at] aonat> wrote:

>When I set output_alpha to on, it sets the whole media container to alpha 255.
>
>What am I doing wrong?

POV's alpha channel only indicates the presence of an object. It is
not affected by transparency nor any interior you give to transparent
objects.


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
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From: Elias Pschernig
Subject: Re: media and output_alpha ?
Date: 3 Jul 2001 17:28:44
Message: <3b42390c@news.povray.org>
> POV's alpha channel only indicates the presence of an object. It is
> not affected by transparency nor any interior you give to transparent
> objects.
 
Ok, thanks. (I already suspected something like that after seeing it
behaves the same for standard objects.) If I need output with an alpha
channel, are there any options I have with povray ? I don't like
switching to something else at all of course..


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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: media and output_alpha ?
Date: 3 Jul 2001 17:46:45
Message: <c6f4ktc1e2jm1ai53vrjeebetcvnqdcmi9@4ax.com>
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:28:43 +0200, "Elias Pschernig"
<eli### [at] aonat> wrote:

>Ok, thanks. (I already suspected something like that after seeing it
>behaves the same for standard objects.) If I need output with an alpha
>channel, are there any options I have with povray ? I don't like
>switching to something else at all of course..

Aside from rendering you media container in black and white and using
that as the alpha channel... I am afraid not much can be done within
POV at this stage. Various techniques can be used to make POV render
all your alpha for you, but I need to know more about your particular
case.


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: media and output_alpha ?
Date: 3 Jul 2001 18:14:13
Message: <3b4243b4@news.povray.org>
Peter Popov <pet### [at] vipbg> wrote:
: Aside from rendering you media container in black and white and using
: that as the alpha channel... I am afraid not much can be done within
: POV at this stage.

  AFAIK some work has been/is being done in pov3.5 to make the alpha channel
work better.

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From: Elias Pschernig
Subject: Re: media and output_alpha ?
Date: 3 Jul 2001 18:15:10
Message: <3b4243ee@news.povray.org>
> Aside from rendering you media container in black and white and using
> that as the alpha channel... I am afraid not much can be done within
> POV at this stage. Various techniques can be used to make POV render
> all your alpha for you, but I need to know more about your particular
> case.

It would really have been nice if it was supprted directly. I use it for some
animations with an alpha channel. (They will be used in a game to do some explosion
and light effects.) The black-and-white options would be better than nothing, i could
at least do something like smoke effects with media. (But would have no alpha channel
as well i guess.) Are there any documents with information for the other techniques ?
All i'd need is instead of just r, g and b for every pixel, also a component
specifying how transparent it is over the background.


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