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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: links
Date: 9 Jan 2003 16:15:28
Message: <3e1de670@news.povray.org>

3e1dce63@news.povray.org...
>
> But Google searches only work because of these link collections.  Remember
> that Google ranking is based to a major part on the links pointing to a
site
> and the links a site makes to other sites.  So you remove the link
> collections, you change Google ranking!

True enough, but I don't dispute the necessity of linking, which is
fundamental to the Web (and to Google).
What I say is that organised links collections have become unmanageable both
by the people who maintain them (unless they  have a paid workforce to do
it) and by the people who use them (because the links are too numerous and
many are dead). In my own rather narrow field of work, where we're lagging a
few years behind computer graphics in terms of internet use, I collected and
indexed around 1000 links 2 years ago, which seemed gigantic; today I just
can't keep up as any google search retrieves dozens of interesting links
that I just don't have the time to index properly. In fact, googling them up
later is likely to be faster than searching my own database.
Allowing users to submit links and archive those links doesn't defeat
linking. Actually, many links are now posted in free form in
personal/community blogs and web forums and find their way in Google. It
just means that the burden of classification and ranking, which is the real
bottleneck here, is shifted to the search engines. Of course, user-submitted
links have other issues, like moderation, spamming, double posts etc.

G.


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From: ABX
Subject: Re: links
Date: 10 Jan 2003 04:44:49
Message: <p75t1vsuqc3hlopq60td0jhsomlik2kjm1@4ax.com>
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:32:48 +0100, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
wrote:
> But Google searches only work because of these link collections.

In case of http://www.povray.org/resources/links/ all links are in form
http://www.povray.org/resources/links/redirect.php/*2*http://www.mnsi.net/~jschlic1/

and robots.txt contains:
Disallow: /resources/links/redirect.php 

will Google use such link to increase popularity parameter for this entry ?

ABX


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: links
Date: 10 Jan 2003 14:06:44
Message: <3e1f19c4@news.povray.org>
In article <p75t1vsuqc3hlopq60td0jhsomlik2kjm1@4ax.com> , ABX 
<abx### [at] abxartpl>  wrote:

> In case of http://www.povray.org/resources/links/ all links are in form
>
http://www.povray.org/resources/links/redirect.php/*2*http://www.mnsi.net/~j
schlic1/
>
> and robots.txt contains:
> Disallow: /resources/links/redirect.php
>
> will Google use such link to increase popularity parameter for this entry ?

Keep in mind that the robots.txt as well as the page content you see does
not necessarily reflect what Google will see when indexing the site... :-)

    Thorsten

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From: Mark Wagner
Subject: Re: links
Date: 11 Jan 2003 00:38:00
Message: <pan.2003.01.11.05.36.43.318829.261@gte.net>
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:06:42 -0500, Thorsten Froehlich quoth:

> In article <p75t1vsuqc3hlopq60td0jhsomlik2kjm1@4ax.com> , ABX
> <abx### [at] abxartpl>  wrote:
> 
>> In case of http://www.povray.org/resources/links/ all links are in form
>>
> http://www.povray.org/resources/links/redirect.php/*2*http://www.mnsi.net/~j
> schlic1/
>>
>> and robots.txt contains:
>> Disallow: /resources/links/redirect.php
>>
>> will Google use such link to increase popularity parameter for this
>> entry ?
> 
> Keep in mind that the robots.txt as well as the page content you see
> does not necessarily reflect what Google will see when indexing the
> site... :-)

I just set my browser's user-agent to "Googlebot", and I didn't see any
changes to either the links page or the robots.txt file.

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Mark


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: links
Date: 11 Jan 2003 06:20:26
Message: <3e1ffdfa$1@news.povray.org>
In article <pan### [at] gtenet> , Mark Wagner 
<mar### [at] gtenet>  wrote:

>> Keep in mind that the robots.txt as well as the page content you see
>> does not necessarily reflect what Google will see when indexing the
>> site... :-)
>
> I just set my browser's user-agent to "Googlebot", and I didn't see any
> changes to either the links page or the robots.txt file.

You thing it is that easy?  There are more secure means to filter users if
they have fixed IP address ;-)

    Thorsten

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