In article <web.3f569d1754ba9a84cb0281a20@news.povray.org>,
 "gilroy" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

> Or, more briefly, many people believe that they are "programming" when they
> create a POV-Ray scene.  This group is not about writing programs IN
> POV-Ray; it's for discussing the programming that CREATES POV-Ray.  But the
> name doesn't make that entirely clear.

This is true, using the scripting language is programming. But wouldn't 
the other groups look like a better place to ask the question? A short 
glance at the groups should show people where everything goes...


> As for better names... I'm not sure I have an opinion.  Someone offered
> "povray.internals", which seems OK.  Almost any choice of name would at
> least avoid this unfortunate conflation of the two senses of "programming"
> POV-Ray.

But that name doesn't really have anything to do with programming...I 
certainly wouldn't look there first when looking for information about 
the source code. All the names I've seen are either less precise or 
would just be misunderstood more often. Why can't people just take a 
short look at the place where they're about to post a message?


> I think a lot of people assume that groups like povray.newusers are created
> to quarantine all the newusers so that veterans can more easily avoid them.
>  :)  For POV-Ray, this seems an unfair prejudice.

It's just so we don't have people asking "how do I make a sphere bigger" 
in the same group as "what is the best tessellation for a sphere"...

Followups to povray.general...

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hi oliver!

> so, any idea to wright the function with only 1 box-parameter?
have a look at the min_extent & max_extent functions.

hth
Florian
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#local a=-5;#while(a<5)sphere{<sin(a*pi)*5a*10pow(a,5)*.01>sin(a*a*a*
.1)+1pigment{rgb 9*z}}#local a=a+.01;#end camera{look_at-y*10location
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In article <3f4f4fe9@news.povray.org> , Oliver Jaxid <mai### [at] finniqcom>  
wrote:

> how can i read the attributes of a parameter-object in a pov-function?

This is the wrong group for this question.  This group is for discussion of
the POV-Ray source code.  General questions about using the POV-Ray scene
description language should be asked in either povray.general or
povray.newusers.

Regarding your question, maybe you are looking for the macro directive?  If
so, you find more about it in the manual.

    Thorsten

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> In article <3f4f4fe9@news.povray.org> , Oliver Jaxid <mai### [at] finniqcom>  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>how can i read the attributes of a parameter-object in a pov-function?
> 
> 
> This is the wrong group for this question.  This group is for discussion of
> the POV-Ray source code.  General questions about using the POV-Ray scene
> description language should be asked in either povray.general or
> povray.newusers.

sorry, but this is wrong!

the correct group about the povray-source-programming is

=> povray.binaries.programming


the group 'povray.programming', this group is for the discussions about 
programming IN povray (macros, scripting, functions, aso.)

so, i am right here

cu
oliver

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Florian Brucker wrote:
> hi oliver!
> 
>> so, any idea to wright the function with only 1 box-parameter?
> 
> have a look at the min_extent & max_extent functions.
> 
> hth
> Florian

thx, that was it!

but...
... does exist a more common way to get object-attributes?
... does exist a poss. to get the textures, normals, aso. from an object?

cu
oliver

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hi oliver!

> thx, that was it!
glad i could help.

> ... does exist a more common way to get object-attributes?
> ... does exist a poss. to get the textures, normals, aso. from an object?
Nope. There have been several discussions about this, one of the biggest 
is propably
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/2743/

HTH,
Florian

BTW, if anybody knows in which group a posting should go, then it is 
Thorsten.
-- 
//=================[web: http://www.torfbold.com]==================\\
#local a=-5;#while(a<5)sphere{<sin(a*pi)*5a*10pow(a,5)*.01>sin(a*a*a*
.1)+1pigment{rgb 9*z}}#local a=a+.01;#end camera{look_at-y*10location
<8,-3,-8>*10}// [www.povray.org]     [www.imp.org]     [www.irtc.org]

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Oliver Jaxid wrote:

> > This is the wrong group for this question.  This group is for discussion of
> > the POV-Ray source code.  General questions about using the POV-Ray scene
> > description language should be asked in either povray.general or
> > povray.newusers.
> 
> sorry, but this is wrong!
> 
> the correct group about the povray-source-programming is
> 
> => povray.binaries.programming
> 
> the group 'povray.programming', this group is for the discussions about
> programming IN povray (macros, scripting, functions, aso.)
> 
> so, i am right here

I hope you realize that you just told one of the people who makes POV-Ray that
he doesn't know what he is talking about.

You are not correct. This group, povray.programming, is about discussions
related to programming POV-Ray itself and has nothing to do with using the
program. The group, povray.programming.binaries, is for sharing binary
attachments related to programming changes in the source code of POV-Ray.

ANY discussions related to USING POV-Ray should be taken to appropriate
groups on this server. These would include povray.newusers, povray.general,
and povray.advanced-users.

As Thorsten already mentioned, you would be well advised to read everything
in povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions so that you understand how our
groups are structered and where best to post your questions.

-- 
Ken Tyler - POV-Ray Technical Assistance Group Member

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Ken wrote:
> 
> Oliver Jaxid wrote:
> 
> 
>>>This is the wrong group for this question.  This group is for discussion of
>>>the POV-Ray source code.  General questions about using the POV-Ray scene
>>>description language should be asked in either povray.general or
>>>povray.newusers.
>>
>>sorry, but this is wrong!
>>
>>the correct group about the povray-source-programming is
>>
>>=> povray.binaries.programming
>>
>>the group 'povray.programming', this group is for the discussions about
>>programming IN povray (macros, scripting, functions, aso.)
>>
>>so, i am right here
> 
> 
> I hope you realize that you just told one of the people who makes POV-Ray that
> he doesn't know what he is talking about.
> 
> You are not correct. This group, povray.programming, is about discussions
> related to programming POV-Ray itself and has nothing to do with using the
> program. The group, povray.programming.binaries, is for sharing binary
> attachments related to programming changes in the source code of POV-Ray.
> 
> ANY discussions related to USING POV-Ray should be taken to appropriate
> groups on this server. These would include povray.newusers, povray.general,
> and povray.advanced-users.
> 
> As Thorsten already mentioned, you would be well advised to read everything
> in povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions so that you understand how our
> groups are structered and where best to post your questions.
> 

ok, ok, i am wrong
(i 've readed the faq's now)

but i'am not the only one. minimum 50% of all articles in this group 
then are beeing wrong placed cause not about pov-source-programming. and 
this was the ground why i've posted here. so, i think that the names of 
the groups for pov-news-noobs are a little bit diffuse.

sorry
oliver

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Florian Brucker wrote:
> hi oliver!
> 
>> thx, that was it!
> 
> glad i could help.
> 
>> ... does exist a more common way to get object-attributes?
>> ... does exist a poss. to get the textures, normals, aso. from an object?
> 
> Nope. There have been several discussions about this, one of the biggest 
> is propably
> http://news.povray.org/povray.general/2743/

sorry, but i can't find a discussion there. there comes the only 
"welcome-page".

> 
> HTH,
> Florian
> 
> BTW, if anybody knows in which group a posting should go, then it is 
> Thorsten.

yes, this i've learned now ;-)

cu
oliver

ps: and thorsten if u really be one of the pov-creators then i will say:

SORRY AND BEST GREETINGS FOR THIS GENIUS TOOL!!! ;-)

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In article <3f50c242@news.povray.org> , Oliver Jaxid <mai### [at] finniqcom>  
wrote:

> ok, ok, i am wrong
> (i 've readed the faq's now)

No problem.

> but i'am not the only one. minimum 50% of all articles in this group
> then are beeing wrong placed cause not about pov-source-programming. and
> this was the ground why i've posted here. so, i think that the names of
> the groups for pov-news-noobs are a little bit diffuse.

Indeed you have identified the biggest problem in this group.  While there
are only about 10% of misplaced articles those tend to attract more
unrelated articles as those who post new articles don't read whole thread of
the misplaced articles.  Somebody will eventually point out people are in
the wrong group, but the "problem" is that many people are "only" helpful
and forget to mention that it is the wrong group.  Thus, the first post
saying someone is in the wrong group ends up being reply being number
1042852, which nobody who makes a new posts reads :-(

The alternative would be to remove all misplaced articles, but then some
good questions and answers to them would be lost.

That said, many have suggested to rename this group many times, but over all
these years nobody ever came up with a better and still _short_ name...

    Thorsten

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