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47d154e3@news.povray.org...
> That's exactly what I'm working on. The database will be PostgreSQL and
> it would track all contests (stills, animation, and others), all rounds of
> the contests, all submissions, all users, and all voting results. The
> site will be almost completely automatic.
Note that such a database already exists:
http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
Gilles
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"Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistech fr> schreef in bericht
news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
>
> Note that such a database already exists:
> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
>
What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of participants over
the years...
Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity of
POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> schreef in bericht
> news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
>> Note that such a database already exists:
>> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
>>
>
> What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of participants over
> the years...
> Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity of
> POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
I think that the growing prominence of GUI-enabled CGI packages,
including freeware, caused many POV-Ray users to drift away from POV-Ray.
Regards,
John
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John VanSickle wrote:
> Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> "Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> schreef in
>> bericht news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
>>> Note that such a database already exists:
>>> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
>>>
>>
>> What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of
>> participants over the years...
>> Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity
>> of POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
>
> I think that the growing prominence of GUI-enabled CGI packages,
> including freeware, caused many POV-Ray users to drift away from POV-Ray.
>
> Regards,
> John
I suspect you're right. To me part of what makes POV-Ray fun is
precisely the idea of modeling with code rather than with a mouse. It's
hard to explain to people why that's fun though. I normally try to draw
an analogy by asking something about why are hand-thrown ceramic bowls
or cups better than much more efficiently made slip-cast or even
mass-produced bowls/cups? My metaphor doesn't normally get me anywhere.
Charles
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> "Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> schreef in bericht
> news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
>> Note that such a database already exists:
>> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
>>
>
> What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of participants over
> the years...
Look at when prizes were dropped. Must explain a lot. Reviving IRTC
without prizes is the recipe for a new disaster.
> Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity of
> POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
Lack of new features for end-users (e.g. stinking artists) in so many
years might be one of the reasons.
Fabien.
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Fa3ien <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> wrote:
> > "Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> schreef in bericht
> > news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
> >> Note that such a database already exists:
> >> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
> >>
> >
> > What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of participants over
> > the years...
>
> Look at when prizes were dropped. Must explain a lot. Reviving IRTC
> without prizes is the recipe for a new disaster.
>
> > Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity of
> > POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
>
> Lack of new features for end-users (e.g. stinking artists) in so many
> years might be one of the reasons.
>
> Fabien.
Firstly, I am very excited by the return of the IRTC. My only reasons for not
entering any round of the IRTC (since I discovered it) were lack of time/talent
to produce an image I was happy with or (more often with my limited imagination)
lack of a decent idea for the topic.
I like the idea of a competition every 2 months (for stills) as I am impatient
to see the entries for each round. However, I would also like to have more than
2 months to create an image. It would be good to have the topics for each round
announced 3 or 4 months in advance. Whatever the deadline and without a prize I
will enter the first round of the revamped IRTC (partly because I would love the
chance to compete against the other users who have said they plan to enter, even
if I know I could not beat them).
Sean
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s.day <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote:
> I like the idea of a competition every 2 months (for stills) as I am impatient
> to see the entries for each round. However, I would also like to have more than
> 2 months to create an image. It would be good to have the topics for each round
> announced 3 or 4 months in advance.
Actually I like that idea. Have a compo each 2 months, but announce the
topic of each compo 3 monts before its deadline (or something along the
lines).
--
- Warp
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"s.day" <s.d### [at] uelacuk> schreef in bericht
news:web.47d32e65db92fe1285a73e9b0@news.povray.org...
> I like the idea of a competition every 2 months (for stills) as I am
> impatient
> to see the entries for each round. However, I would also like to have more
> than
> 2 months to create an image. It would be good to have the topics for each
> round
> announced 3 or 4 months in advance. Whatever the deadline and without a
> prize I
> will enter the first round of the revamped IRTC (partly because I would
> love the
> chance to compete against the other users who have said they plan to
> enter, even
> if I know I could not beat them).
>
I support this idea. Having more than 2 months to think about a round would
be very nice.
Thomas
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Fa3ien <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> wrote:
....
> ... Reviving IRTC without prizes is the recipe
> for a new disaster.
....
Respectfully, I must disagree rather strongly.
Prizes, especially very valuable ones, tend to
attract mercenary participants and bring out their
worst behaviors.
Also, large prizes tend to come from corporate sponsors
who never GIVE anything to anybody. One way or another
sponsors will see to it that a contest is skewed to
promote THEIR products. IF there are going to be
any prizes, I would much prefer that they remain
small token prizes to enhance the fun of participating,
say a coffee cup with the winning image.
Best Regards,
Mike C.
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Fa3ien wrote:
> Look at when prizes were dropped. Must explain a lot. Reviving IRTC
> without prizes is the recipe for a new disaster.
Prizes were never an important part of the IRTC. The vast majority of
entrants enter not to win something physical but for the satisfaction of
doing so. They also benefit from the respect of their peers.
If we were to have prizes at all, I would prefer that they be relevant
(e.g. a poster print of, perhaps, the winning image, or some other image of
the entrants choosing).
-- Chris
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