For those who have already contributed to the 2006 Short Code Competition
and to those who plan to contribute ..... I had planned for the entrants to
simply send in their votes, I tabulate them and announce the winners, I
can obviously still do this.

However I was wondering if there were some other more interesting ways of
handling the voting. How about a private newsgroup on this server where the
entrants (who were the only ones with initial access) discussed the entries
and tried to come to some concensus. This assumes someone who has managment
control of the povray news server is prepared to set this up for us.
Do you think this would work? Result in chaos, fights, bullying, ... or
might be a nice transparent / fun way of deciding on the rankings.
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Paul Bourke <pau### [at] uwaeduau> wrote:
> Do you think this would work? Result in chaos, fights, bullying, ... or
> might be a nice transparent / fun way of deciding on the rankings.

  I would say that if there are less than 10 entrants then it could be
a good idea, but if there are more than about 20 then perhaps just a
simple vote would work better. In between... I don't know.

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> Do you think this would work? Result in chaos, fights, bullying, ... or
> might be a nice transparent / fun way of deciding on the rankings.

Depends on how many contestants there are.
Is there really the need for big discussions?
Well, I'd welcome, if there is some communi-
cation and the contestants not simply make
their choices.

Du you fear you couldn't handle the internet
traffic on your site?

Bye, Olaf.

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Paul Bourke wrote:
> For those who have already contributed to the 2006 Short Code Competition
> and to those who plan to contribute ..... I had planned for the entrants to
> simply send in their votes, I tabulate them and announce the winners, I
> can obviously still do this.
> 
> However I was wondering if there were some other more interesting ways of
> handling the voting. How about a private newsgroup on this server where the
> entrants (who were the only ones with initial access) discussed the entries
> and tried to come to some concensus. This assumes someone who has managment
> control of the povray news server is prepared to set this up for us.
> Do you think this would work? Result in chaos, fights, bullying, ... or
> might be a nice transparent / fun way of deciding on the rankings.
> -------------------------------------
> P a u l   B o u r k e
> http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/
> 
> 
I think that voting is an good, rough-and-ready path to concensus.

The problem that I have always had with voting is that the result 
necessarily involves a ranking. Such a ranking is an artifical contruct 
and infers that a consistency and granularitly of aesthetic 
discrimination is possible beyond what I believe makes sense.

But this has a saving grace, that the ultimately the outcome must be 
taken with a "Grain of Salt", and in this light everyone gets to save 
face.  So I think the equal and anonymous vote is still the most 
trustworthy approach.

As I have always maintained about these voted on contests, they serve to 
provide a focus with an outcome we can accept, and in the meantime a lot 
of interesting art gets made and viewed.

I think if one could delineate a particular problem with voting, then 
maybe an alternative could be invented to avoid that problem.  But I 
have yet to see any case made convincingly.

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>   I would say that if there are less than 10 entrants then it could be
> a good idea, but if there are more than about 20 then perhaps just a
> simple vote would work better. In between... I don't know.

Already over 20 and I suspect there will be a mad rush near the end.

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> Du you fear you couldn't handle the internet traffic on your site?

Oh no, that's the least of my worries.
10GB per day and it has peaked at around 50GB without the server getting
upset.

It seems that there may be a reasonably large number entrants so perhaps the
discussion approach is too risky.

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> It seems that there may be a reasonably large number entrants so perhaps 
> the
> discussion approach is too risky.

Yes, then I'm with the others, especially
Jim Charter: "...the equal and anonymous vote
is still the most  trustworthy approach."

Bye, Olaf.

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Sounds like a good way to start an argument to me. The winner would be 
whoever 's work appealed to the most persuasive writers...

Voting isn't perfect, but at least it avoids judges unfairly biasing 
one-another.

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Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com

"Paul Bourke" <pau### [at] uwaeduau> wrote in message 
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> For those who have already contributed to the 2006 Short Code Competition
> and to those who plan to contribute ..... I had planned for the entrants 
> to
> simply send in their votes, I tabulate them and announce the winners, I
> can obviously still do this.
>
> However I was wondering if there were some other more interesting ways of
> handling the voting. How about a private newsgroup on this server where 
> the
> entrants (who were the only ones with initial access) discussed the 
> entries
> and tried to come to some concensus. This assumes someone who has 
> managment
> control of the povray news server is prepared to set this up for us.
> Do you think this would work? Result in chaos, fights, bullying, ... or
> might be a nice transparent / fun way of deciding on the rankings.
> -------------------------------------
> P a u l   B o u r k e
> http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Paul Bourke wrote:
> However I was wondering if there were some other more interesting ways of
> handling the voting. How about a private newsgroup on this server where the
> entrants (who were the only ones with initial access) discussed the entries
> and tried to come to some concensus. This assumes someone who has managment
> control of the povray news server is prepared to set this up for us.
> Do you think this would work? Result in chaos, fights, bullying, ... or
> might be a nice transparent / fun way of deciding on the rankings.

I think having a discussion thread for a few days would be good - could 
just be a public thread on here. Even make the final entries publicly 
visible so non-participants can join in the discussion before the actual 
voting gets done by entrants...?

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When will the entries be available for viewing?

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