Hi guys

Megapov 0.7 (I heard) had $ instead of #declare...

What is the reason why this wasn't implemented in official Pov 3.1 or 3.5?

Seems like a very nice feature to just go $variablename instead of #declare
all over in a .pov file. Quicker to type, easier to read, and so on.

Any team guys? Christoph?
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Stefan Viljoen <rylan@ wrote:
> Hi guys
> 
> Megapov 0.7 (I heard) had $ instead of #declare...
> 
> What is the reason why this wasn't implemented in official Pov 3.1 or 3.5?
> 

It leads to awfully obfuscated code.  When designing a new language the 
idea to leave away the #declare (or whatever else) completely is 
reasonable.  But if it is required replacing it with a single character 
is not a good idea.  With the same arguments you could replace every 
other keyword with the shortest unique abbreviation - but no one could 
read the code any more then.

Christoph

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chr### [at] gmxde news:cfjc1l$vh2$1@chho.imagico.de

> other keyword with the shortest unique abbreviation - but no one could 
> read the code any more then.

Btw, how about adding some shorten forms for long and often used keywords, 
it could spedd up typing and comforable level of hand-typing .pov code, 
like

light { y*10 rgb 1 }
diff {
  box { -5, +5 }
  sphere { 0 10 }
  text { 
  pig { bozo cmap{0:<1,0,0> .5:<1,1,0> 1:1} } 
  norm{ bozo .5 }  
  fin { refl .5 phong 0.5,70 spec 0.1,0.06 }
}

?

Aliasing keyword is probably easy, another format of for example color_map 
perhaps not so much.

Just an idea.

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Rafal 'Raf256' Maj wrote:

> chr### [at] gmxde news:cfjc1l$vh2$1@chho.imagico.de
> 
> 
>>other keyword with the shortest unique abbreviation - but no one could 
>>read the code any more then.
>>
> 
> Btw, how about adding some shorten forms for long and often used keywords, 
> it could spedd up typing and comforable level of hand-typing .pov code, 
> like

Better yet, why not have the ability to make new #aliases for keywords. 
Something like this:

#alias sphere=sph;

sph{ <0,0,0>, 10 pigment{White} }

-Sam

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Rafal 'Raf256' Maj nous apporta ses lumieres ainsi en ce 13/08/2004 
18:17... :

>chr### [at] gmxde news:cfjc1l$vh2$1@chho.imagico.de
>
>  
>
>>other keyword with the shortest unique abbreviation - but no one could 
>>read the code any more then.
>>    
>>
>
>Btw, how about adding some shorten forms for long and often used keywords, 
>it could spedd up typing and comforable level of hand-typing .pov code, 
>like
>
>light { y*10 rgb 1 }
>diff {
>  box { -5, +5 }
>  sphere { 0 10 }
>  text { 
>  pig { bozo cmap{0:<1,0,0> .5:<1,1,0> 1:1} } 
>  norm{ bozo .5 }  
>  fin { refl .5 phong 0.5,70 spec 0.1,0.06 }
>}
>
>?
>
>Aliasing keyword is probably easy, another format of for example color_map 
>perhaps not so much.
>
>Just an idea.
>
>  
>
You can create a shorthand.inc include that define those abreviations as 
equivalant to whatever keyword you want. You even can translate every 
keyword to another language if you feel like it. If you then publish 
your scene, don't forget to also publish the include file(s).

Alain

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aze### [at] qwertygov news:411d49c0$1@news.povray.org

> You can create a shorthand.inc include that define those abreviations as 
> equivalant to whatever keyword you want. You even can translate every 
> keyword to another language if you feel like it. If you then publish 
> your scene, don't forget to also publish the include file(s).
> 

Uhm? How exacly does it work? Sounds very interesting... something simmilar 
to what Samuel was talking about?

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Rafal 'Raf256' Maj nous apporta ses lumieres ainsi en ce 13/08/2004 
19:48... :

>aze### [at] qwertygov news:411d49c0$1@news.povray.org
>
>  
>
>>You can create a shorthand.inc include that define those abreviations as 
>>equivalant to whatever keyword you want. You even can translate every 
>>keyword to another language if you feel like it. If you then publish 
>>your scene, don't forget to also publish the include file(s).
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Uhm? How exacly does it work? Sounds very interesting... something simmilar 
>to what Samuel was talking about?
>
>  
>
Something like:

#declare sph=sphere; //Abreviate sphere to sph
#declare boite=box; //Translate box to boite (french)

Alain

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Cool idea!

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news:411### [at] hotmailcom...
> Rafal 'Raf256' Maj wrote:
>
> > chr### [at] gmxde news:cfjc1l$vh2$1@chho.imagico.de
> >
> >
> >>other keyword with the shortest unique abbreviation - but no one could
> >>read the code any more then.
> >>
> >
> > Btw, how about adding some shorten forms for long and often used
keywords,
> > it could spedd up typing and comforable level of hand-typing .pov code,
> > like
>
> Better yet, why not have the ability to make new #aliases for keywords.
> Something like this:
>
> #alias sphere=sph;
>
> sph{ <0,0,0>, 10 pigment{White} }
>
> -Sam
>

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The idea of using #alias is better so that you don't mix #declares with
abbreviations.

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news:411d60c9$1@news.povray.org...
> Rafal 'Raf256' Maj nous apporta ses lumieres ainsi en ce 13/08/2004
> 19:48... :
>
> >aze### [at] qwertygov news:411d49c0$1@news.povray.org
> >
> >
> >
> >>You can create a shorthand.inc include that define those abreviations
as
> >>equivalant to whatever keyword you want. You even can translate every
> >>keyword to another language if you feel like it. If you then publish
> >>your scene, don't forget to also publish the include file(s).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Uhm? How exacly does it work? Sounds very interesting... something
simmilar
> >to what Samuel was talking about?
> >
> >
> >
> Something like:
>
> #declare sph=sphere; //Abreviate sphere to sph
> #declare boite=box; //Translate box to boite (french)
>
> Alain

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Alain wrote:

> Something like:
> 
> #declare sph=sphere; //Abreviate sphere to sph
> #declare boite=box; //Translate box to boite (french)
> 
> Alain

Well, that's good to know!

-Sam

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