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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Submission formats?
Date: 31 May 2000 19:18:13
Message: <39359db5@news.povray.org>
"Philippe Debar" wrote:
> "Rune" wrote:
> > The point here is that there's a RULE saying the
> > the logos must work in black and white, and there's
> > a reason that rule were made. Therefore the voters
> > should be able to see how the logo looks in black
> > and white.
>
> I agree completely. What I believe in is:
> 1) everybody knows the logo should work in B/W;
> 2) voters will vote accordingly (or not, if they do
>    not agree with point 1);
> 3) author choose what they submit, including if they
>    submit a b/w image and knowing the potential
>    consequences.
>
> Hence authors who:
>
> - do not agree with point 1,

But point 1 is a rule. Normally you have to follow rules even if you don't
agree with them.

> or
> - think they can use the avalaible space to show
>   something they believe more important,

That would still be breaking a rule.

> can act accordingly.

That would be saying: "We have made some specific rules for this contest,
but it is ok not to follow them." That doesn't make sense I think.

> And let the voters judge - it _is_ their job.

The voters' job is to judge among the logos that follow the rules of the
contest.

> OTOH, if an author think the B/W version is important (as I think it is),

According to the rules the b/w version IS important.

> he will include it. If he is unsure, he will follow
> the guidelines and be on the safe side. And I carry
> this line of reasonning to all formats: so I'd only
> fix a total submission size, letting each author
> choose how he wants to use it (why not its own html
> presentation page?).

Because a good logo has certain qualities that can not be discussed (in my
opinion). We are only interested in potential GOOD logos (naturally), so all
logos should follow the certain requirements that a good logo follows.

> Now, I do not pretend I am right or that you are wrong.
> It is only my opinion: these are justs the rules I
> would use if I were to organise the contest. Just my
> personnal taste.

Same here. (I'm just discussing, I'm not in my role as organizer.)

> I am glad you are back.

Thanks! :-)

> I hope your HD was left undamaged.

Depends on your definition of "undamaged"...

Greetings,

Rune

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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Submission formats?
Date: 31 May 2000 19:21:16
Message: <39359E0D.787ABB9C@pacbell.net>
Rune wrote:

> The voters' job is to judge among the logos that follow the rules of the
> contest.

The voters job is to help determine which logo best represents POV-Ray.

The rules exist merely to refine the process of finding the best logo.

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Submission formats?
Date: 31 May 2000 20:51:20
Message: <3935b388@news.povray.org>
"Ken" wrote:
> Rune wrote:
>
> > The voters' job is to judge among the logos
> > that follow the rules of the contest.
>
> The voters job is to help determine which logo
> best represents POV-Ray.
>
> The rules exist merely to refine the process
> of finding the best logo.

I think yours and mine statement does not nessesarily contradict each other.

THE GOAL is to find THE LOGO that best represents POV-Ray.

At first we have all the logos.

Some of the logos does not have potential to be THE LOGO because they don't
follow the requirements (rules) that we (by voting in the newsgroup) have
fixed. Those logos are rejected.

The rest of the logos are those that follow the rules. These are the logos
that we vote about.
In theory the voters judge among all the logos, but in practice we can
filter some of the logos out before the voting, becase they don't follow the
fixed requirements.

However, since the people who make the logos will know the rules, they
probably won't make logos that don't follow the rules, and therefore we
probably won't have to reject any logos at all.

This is how I imagine things to be anyway.

Greetings,

Rune

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