>Will the current competition do, or should we make a completely new one?

I don't think it would be a bad idea to start a new one. Since people don't
seem to understand/like the current one a new one seems in order.

>In case a whole new competition is made, the results of this competition
are
>practically useless. We can, however, use it to see which logos have
>potential.

As far as I can tell, the front-runners are 4, 6, and 11 (joy!).

>Better logo definitions.
> <blah> <blah> <blah>

I think that has been explained pretty clearly. All you need is to collect
all that have been discussed into one document that summarizes this in a
clear, concise fashion. You should explain the difference between logos and
their presentations. IMHO, I think that all the logos submitted should be
black and white. Color is only part of the presentation. Don't you think?

>Better voting rules.
>Better discussion about the voting rules.
> <blah> <blah> <blah>

Sounds like a good idea.

>Logo improvement.
> <blah> <blah> <blah>

Capital idea. I think I already suggested this (or at least thought about
it). Here's my idea: The authors could submit their logos as they originally
conceive them. Then voting should occur. Sound familiar? Well, here's the
twist. Next to each priority, one should briefly (one sentence) explain what
one liked or disliked about it. The authors would be given a certain time to
improve on their logos and a new vote should occur. That's the part where we
proceed with your original plan.

>More people.
> <blah> <blah> <blah>

Yeess! I concur! <japanese>Kite, Niponjin, kite!!!</japanese>

>More time.
> <blah> <blah> <blah>

I think that's a bit too much time. Two months should be enough. But, first
we need to spread the word to all the other POV newsgroups around the globe,
with a translation of the rules for the people there.

>More organization.
> <blah> <blah> <blah>

Yes. I concur.

>I will need people to help me!

I don't have any time right now, but I'll see what I can do next month. :)

>Official support.
> <blah> <blah> <blah>

I'm sure they wouldn't mind. They love good and helpful support and feedback
from the users. (Right?) Hail the POV-Team!

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"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote in message news:3900dbae@news.povray.org...
|
| But anyway, it was not the intention that we went into details here. What I
| really want to know is:
|
| Is this competition good enough, or should we make a new one? How many are
| for a new competition, and how many are against?

If the contest is redone my vote can be bought for the right price  ;-)
In all seriousness though, it seems many more people have become
aware of this since the beginning and perhaps, just perhaps, others
would now like to try to create a POV logo too.  Maybe this first round
could be thought of as a trial run and a bit of advertisement.
I'm not saying this and hoping for a chance at it myself, I might not ever
come up with anything.  Just looks as though more people have taken notice
and that's what was originally needed, lots of contestants.
I keep referring to it as a "contest" but I'm not qualified to say.

Bob

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"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
>
> How many are
> for a new competition, and how many are against?
>

    [X] Yes
    [ ] No

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"Bob Hughes" wrote:
> It seems many more people have become aware of
> this since the beginning and perhaps, just
> perhaps, others would now like to try to create
> a POV logo too.  Maybe this first round could
> be thought of as a trial run and a bit of
> advertisement.

I agree, but I would like to know how many others agree too.

> I keep referring to it as a "contest" but I'm not qualified to say.

What excactly is the difference between a contest and a competition?
I have never really learned it. Contest may be a more correct word.

Greetings,

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"Bill DeWitt" wrote:
> "Rune" wrote :
> >
> > How many are
> > for a new competition, and how many are against?
>
>     [X] Yes
>     [ ] No

I'll take that as a "for"! ;-)

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"TonyB" wrote:
> As far as I can tell, the front-runners
> are 4, 6, and 11 (joy!).

Yes. They are.
But others may have potential too.

> >Better logo definitions.
> > <blah> <blah> <blah>
>
> I think that has been explained pretty clearly.

Glad you think so! :-)

> All you need is to collect all that have
> been discussed into one document that
> summarizes this in a clear, concise fashion.

I agree, but there haven't really been a discussion. I just made the rules
myself. It might be best with a discussion, but I wouldn't mind if it became
a short one...

> You should explain the difference between
> logos and their presentations.

I agree. I though maybe together with the logos people could optionally send
in some small images that shows various ways the logo could be presented.
That could be max 3 presentation per logo, and we could define max
proportions and size and so on.

> IMHO, I think that all the logos submitted
> should be black and white. Color is only
> part of the presentation. Don't you think?

Not always. Think about the Windows logo. Although the logo *can* be
presented in black and white, those four colors are always part of the logo.
However, I think only plain colors can be used, not effects like shading,
glow, drop-shadows or whatever.

Of the logos in the current competition I think the colors are essential in
logo 4, 6, 8, and 11. Not the colors in logo 2 and 5. Furthermore, the
shading in logo 2, 5, and 8 shouldn't be allowed in my opinion.

> The authors could submit their logos as
> they originally conceive them. Then voting
> should occur. Sound familiar? Well, here's
> the twist. Next to each priority, one
> should briefly (one sentence) explain what
> one liked or disliked about it. The authors
> would be given a certain time to improve on
> their logos and a new vote should occur.
> That's the part where we proceed with your
> original plan.

I don't quite agree here. Why should we vote the first time if it doesn't
count anyway? If you leave the voting part out, there's still the commenting
part left.

That is, people make logos, people comment on logos (but doesn't vote).
People improve logos. Then people vote, and this voting is definite and
final.

As I see it we just have to make it clear to everyone that it is important
that they comment on the logos in time, because when the logos are submitted
it is too late to change them.

That's my opinion anyway.

> >More people.
> > <blah> <blah> <blah>
>
> Yeess! I concur! <japanese>Kite, Niponjin,
> kite!!!</japanese>
> we need to spread the word to all the other
> POV newsgroups around the globe, with a
> translation of the rules for the people there.

I though so too, but Ken says that he hasn't heard of other POV-Ray
dedicated newsgroups than these, and the French, which already participated
in this competition.

> >More time.
>
> I think that's a bit too much time.
> Two months should be enough.

Remember, the time period is not only for creating the logos, but also for
first making all the rules, then make the logos, and then comment, discuss,
and improve the logos. But I don't know. I think first we should make a plan
over what is to be done when. Then we have a better idea of how long time
things will take.

Greetings,

Rune

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Rune <run### [at] inamecom> wrote in message
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> But anyway, it was not the intention that we went into details here. What
I
> really want to know is:
>
> Is this competition good enough, or should we make a new one? How many are
> for a new competition, and how many are against?

I think that the current competition does not allow enough time for the
devlopment of the logos.  There should be a new one.

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"Franks" wrote:
> I think that the current competition
> does not allow enough time for the
> devlopment of the logos.

> There should be a new one.

I agree, there's just this thing that bugs me:

Over 30 persons have voted in the first competition.

So far only 6 persons have said that they think a new competition should be
made (that's me included).

Is that enough basis deciding that we should actually make it?

I hope more people will reply...

Greetings,

Rune

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On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:25:23 +0200, Rune wrote:
>I agree, there's just this thing that bugs me:
>
>Over 30 persons have voted in the first competition.
>
>So far only 6 persons have said that they think a new competition should be
>made (that's me included).

Some of us take a little longer :-)

For the record: I also think that there should be a new competition.
Some of the logos are promising, IMHO, but I don't really like any of
them.

I didn't have a problems with the voting rules.
However, a scheme where one can express a gap (logo A and B are about
the same, but C is much worse) would be better. Care to revive your
"voting blanks" scheme for the next round?

	hp

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How 'bout:
Are you for or against a new competition? Yes.
:-p

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