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From: Ray Gardener
Subject: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 18 Jan 2000 23:06:06
Message: <3885382e@news.povray.org>
The URL http://www.pov.com/ points
to http://www.icast.com/, some
media company. Oddly, the domain
registrant is "Persistence of Vision",
but the expression doesn't appear
anywhere at the ICast site.

Is ICast using POV-Ray's popularity
to gain traffic..?

Curious,
Ray


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From: omniVERSE
Subject: Re: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 03:33:14
Message: <388576ca@news.povray.org>
http://www.disneypov.com/
http://www.p-o-v-image.com/
http://www.nmsi.ac.uk/on-line/outofsight/BirdinCage.html <--must see :-)
http://www.iit.edu/%7Esmile/ph8609.html <--?
http://www.aplus.com/seth/trek/124.html <--???

And the list goes on...

Bob

"Ray Gardener" <ray### [at] daylongraphicscom> wrote in message
news:3885382e@news.povray.org...
> The URL http://www.pov.com/ points
> to http://www.icast.com/, some
> media company. Oddly, the domain
> registrant is "Persistence of Vision",
> but the expression doesn't appear
> anywhere at the ICast site.
>
> Is ICast using POV-Ray's popularity
> to gain traffic..?
>
> Curious,
> Ray
>
>
>


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 04:00:15
Message: <3889710B.1312A36B@pacbell.net>
Ray Gardener wrote:
> 
> The URL http://www.pov.com/ points
> to http://www.icast.com/, some
> media company. Oddly, the domain
> registrant is "Persistence of Vision",
> but the expression doesn't appear
> anywhere at the ICast site.
> 
> Is ICast using POV-Ray's popularity
> to gain traffic..?
> 
> Curious,
> Ray

  If it was http://www.POV-Ray.com there would be a conflict of interest
because POV-Ray is a registered trademark. POV however is not a trademark
of the POV-Team therefore does not represent a problem.

Per POV-Legal

"POV-Ray", "Persistence of Vision", "POV-Team" and "POV-Help" are
trademarks of the POV-Team.



-- 
Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/


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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 04:44:55
Message: <38858796.235A88F4@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>
Ken wrote:
> 
>   If it was http://www.POV-Ray.com there would be a conflict of interest
> because POV-Ray is a registered trademark. POV however is not a trademark
> of the POV-Team therefore does not represent a problem.
> 
> Per POV-Legal
> 
> "POV-Ray", "Persistence of Vision", "POV-Team" and "POV-Help" are
> trademarks of the POV-Team.
> 

Have a look at the links Bob gave. 

http://www.disneypov.com

On the page they use "Persistence of Vision". Doesn't sound good to me
...

Just my two Pfennige.

Marc

-- 
Marc Schimmler


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 04:55:43
Message: <38897E00.A23D41D6@pacbell.net>
Marc Schimmler wrote:

> Have a look at the links Bob gave.
> 
> http://www.disneypov.com
> 
> On the page they use "Persistence of Vision". Doesn't sound good to me

That is the type of trademark that would be hard to enforce unless you had
the power of someone like Disney's attornys behind you. If they had on
their site something that said "Persistence of Vision Raytracer" then there
might be a good reason to go after them but for the phrase "Persistence of
Vision" I think it would be impractical because it is also an explaination
for a known physical phenomenon.

-- 
Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/


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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 05:03:46
Message: <38858C02.668C6CF1@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>
Ken wrote:
> 
> 
> That is the type of trademark that would be hard to enforce unless you had
> the power of someone like Disney's attornys behind you. If they had on
> their site something that said "Persistence of Vision Raytracer" then there
> might be a good reason to go after them but for the phrase "Persistence of
> Vision" I think it would be impractical because it is also an explaination
> for a known physical phenomenon.
> 

If you have a trademark, you can enforce it when somebody uses it as a
name for an organization or product. Let the POV-team (tm) decide about
it.

Marc

-- 
Marc Schimmler


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From: Mike
Subject: Re: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 05:27:03
Message: <38858ECD.8837E150@aol.com>
> That is the type of trademark that would be hard to enforce unless you had
> the power of someone like Disney's attornys behind you.

Why, if I had the power of the Disney attorneys behind me I would sue all furry
woodland creatures for intellectual copyright infringment and force them all to
dress up like hairless rats!  Mwuhahaha!


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 07:39:17
Message: <3885b075@news.povray.org>
In article <388576ca@news.povray.org> , "omniVERSE" 
<inv### [at] aolcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote:

> http://www.disneypov.com/
> http://www.p-o-v-image.com/
> http://www.nmsi.ac.uk/on-line/outofsight/BirdinCage.html <--must see :-)
> http://www.iit.edu/%7Esmile/ph8609.html <--?
> http://www.aplus.com/seth/trek/124.html <--???
>
> And the list goes on...

:-)


      Thorsten


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From: DirkBoy
Subject: Re: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 11:27:45
Message: <3885e601@news.povray.org>
http://www.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/01/19/0828245&mode=nested


Check this out...its actually dealing with Linus Torvalds and his protection
of the Linux name. But its the same idea as expressed here. Worth the read.


DirkBoy


Ray Gardener <ray### [at] daylongraphicscom> wrote in message
news:3885382e@news.povray.org...
> The URL http://www.pov.com/ points
> to http://www.icast.com/, some
> media company. Oddly, the domain
> registrant is "Persistence of Vision",
> but the expression doesn't appear
> anywhere at the ICast site.
>
> Is ICast using POV-Ray's popularity
> to gain traffic..?
>
> Curious,
> Ray
>
>
>


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From: Phil Clute
Subject: Re: POV domain name abuse?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 14:51:56
Message: <388615F8.AF33F247@tiac.net>
> Per POV-Legal
> 
> "POV-Ray", "Persistence of Vision", "POV-Team" and "POV-Help" are
> trademarks of the POV-Team.

Is it an actual "trademark" or just a copyright? I see the copyright on
the "About" screen from the Help menu but no T. As far as I know they
are not really the same thing. 
-- 
Phil
...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.


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