The only annoying thing I run into when using POV-ray is the inability to
preview my scenes.  I spend a seemingly endless amount of time rendering,
re-rendering, re-rendering,... just to get the camera and lighting position
I need.

OpenGL offers an easy to implement, raster scan technology that could be
(easily?) implemented in POV-Ray.  It would be ideal for generating previews
so the user could determine camera, lighting, etc and then do the final
render with the ray-tracer.  If I knew how to do C++, I'd do it myself but
since I don't, is there anyone out there who would like to add this
IMMENSELY useful feature to POV?

Please, please, please, .....

--
Jim

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It'll blow your mind (politically), stimulate your senses (artistically)
and provide scientific insights beyond compare!

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In article <36d9d4f2.0@news.povray.org> , "Jim Kress" <jim### [at] dccmailcom>
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> OpenGL offers an easy to implement, raster scan technology that could be
> (easily?) implemented in POV-Ray.

Except on mainstream platforms OpenGL is available everywhere.
If you use a Win PC you can use Moray...


     Thorsten

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OpenGL is not a good choice, since it's not avaiable at all in DOS.
tried quickColour and such settings ??? I have a generral preveiw variable in my
scens, only to remove all more timeconsuming things(mirrors, fog, changing a
difference to a uinion(faster with text objects), or removing it totally and so
on.
If you want preview, my best tip is to get a modeller. :-)
And, I doubt it is so easy to implement a rastered engine to the pov-code,
remember that a scene always needs to be parsed before working, and what would
happen to the preview if I had som really nasty macros in the scene??? no, it
won't work on this level. And, I don't think there is a good OpenGl on any other
platform than windoze, perhaps X in unix, but I don't have that platform so I
don't know. 

Sorry, but you can really make one if you want. :-)
-- 
//Spider 
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Does Moray import POV height fields (like from Leveler) and POV inc files?
Last time I looked, I didn't see that it could.  I need this capability to
make it worth while.

Also, Moray is expensive ...

--
Jim

Check out my web site http://www.kressworks.com/
It'll blow your mind (politically), stimulate your senses (artistically)
and provide scientific insights beyond compare!

Be sure to read the Warp maintained POV VFAQ:
http://iki.fi/warp/povVFAQ.html




Thorsten Froehlich wrote in message <36d9d81c.0@news.povray.org>...
>In article <36d9d4f2.0@news.povray.org> , "Jim Kress"
<jim### [at] dccmailcom>
>wrote:
>
>> OpenGL offers an easy to implement, raster scan technology that could be
>> (easily?) implemented in POV-Ray.
>
>Except on mainstream platforms OpenGL is available everywhere.
>If you use a Win PC you can use Moray...
>
>
>     Thorsten

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From: http://www.opengl.org/Products/Products.html

"OpenGL is the most widely used API on UNIX and Win9x/NT systems for
professional & consumer graphics applications. With the licensing of OpenGL
by Apple, it is also making rapid headway into Mac OS applications. "

It started life in the Unix world and then migrated elsewhere.

--
Jim

Check out my web site http://www.kressworks.com/
It'll blow your mind (politically), stimulate your senses (artistically)
and provide scientific insights beyond compare!

Be sure to read the Warp maintained POV VFAQ:
http://iki.fi/warp/povVFAQ.html




Spider wrote in message <36D9D7E8.38BF972D@bahnhof.se>...
>OpenGL is not a good choice, since it's not avaiable at all in DOS.
>tried quickColour and such settings ??? I have a generral preveiw variable
in my
>scens, only to remove all more timeconsuming things(mirrors, fog, changing
a
>difference to a uinion(faster with text objects), or removing it totally
and so
>on.
>If you want preview, my best tip is to get a modeller. :-)
>And, I doubt it is so easy to implement a rastered engine to the pov-code,
>remember that a scene always needs to be parsed before working, and what
would
>happen to the preview if I had som really nasty macros in the scene??? no,
it
>won't work on this level. And, I don't think there is a good OpenGl on any
other
>platform than windoze, perhaps X in unix, but I don't have that platform so
I
>don't know.
>
>Sorry, but you can really make one if you want. :-)
>--
>//Spider
>( spi### [at] bahnhofse ) [ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
>#declare life = rand(seed(42))*sqrt(-1);

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Jim Kress wrote:
> 
> From: http://www.opengl.org/Products/Products.html
haven't read it.

> "OpenGL is the most widely used API on UNIX and Win9x/NT systems for
> professional & consumer graphics applications. With the licensing of OpenGL
> by Apple, it is also making rapid headway into Mac OS applications. "
there still is DOS, my fav. :-) 

> It started life in the Unix world and then migrated elsewhere.
ok, i started in DOS, and mainly feel at home there.

 

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Jim Kress wrote in message <36d9d984.0@news.povray.org>...
>Does Moray import POV height fields (like from Leveler) and POV inc files?
>Last time I looked, I didn't see that it could.  I need this capability to
>make it worth while.
>
>Also, Moray is expensive ...
>
>--
>Jim
Moray doesn't "import" h_f's rather it allows you to create one from an
image, as for Moray being expensive, look into all the other commercial
modellers out there.

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Personally, I think it would be more useful to add REYES scanline
rendering to POV.  Maybe call it POV-Scan. :)

I don't see that a real-time engine would be that useful WITHIN POV,
since that's more appropriate for a modeller...but a nice scanline
renderer would be great for previewing scenes.

It would probably require major additions to the code (In other words, a
pipe dream).

-Mike

Jim Kress wrote:
> 
> The only annoying thing I run into when using POV-ray is the inability to
> preview my scenes.  I spend a seemingly endless amount of time rendering,
> re-rendering, re-rendering,... just to get the camera and lighting position
> I need.
> 
> OpenGL offers an easy to implement, raster scan technology that could be
> (easily?) implemented in POV-Ray.  It would be ideal for generating previews
> so the user could determine camera, lighting, etc and then do the final
> render with the ray-tracer.  If I knew how to do C++, I'd do it myself but
> since I don't, is there anyone out there who would like to add this
> IMMENSELY useful feature to POV?
> 
> Please, please, please, .....
> 
> --
> Jim
> 
> Check out my web site http://www.kressworks.com/
> It'll blow your mind (politically), stimulate your senses (artistically)
> and provide scientific insights beyond compare!
> 
> Be sure to read the Warp maintained POV VFAQ:
> http://iki.fi/warp/povVFAQ.html

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ooohhh.. maybe I could do this for my Senior Thesis... thanks for the
idea, but if I do it, it won't be done until next year at earliest...

Steve


Jim Kress wrote:
> 
> The only annoying thing I run into when using POV-ray is the inability to
> preview my scenes.  I spend a seemingly endless amount of time rendering,
> re-rendering, re-rendering,... just to get the camera and lighting position
> I need.
> 
> OpenGL offers an easy to implement, raster scan technology that could be
> (easily?) implemented in POV-Ray.  It would be ideal for generating previews
> so the user could determine camera, lighting, etc and then do the final
> render with the ray-tracer.  If I knew how to do C++, I'd do it myself but
> since I don't, is there anyone out there who would like to add this
> IMMENSELY useful feature to POV?
> 
> Please, please, please, .....
> 
> --
> Jim
> 
> Check out my web site http://www.kressworks.com/
> It'll blow your mind (politically), stimulate your senses (artistically)
> and provide scientific insights beyond compare!
> 
> Be sure to read the Warp maintained POV VFAQ:
> http://iki.fi/warp/povVFAQ.html

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You seem to imply that it is not standard on Windows. Is that what you meant?
It's been around for quite awhile, and in WinNT since vary early, and in 95
since OSR/2.

Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> In article <36d9d4f2.0@news.povray.org> , "Jim Kress" <jim### [at] dccmailcom>
> wrote:
>
> > OpenGL offers an easy to implement, raster scan technology that could be
> > (easily?) implemented in POV-Ray.
>
> Except on mainstream platforms OpenGL is available everywhere.
> If you use a Win PC you can use Moray...
>
>      Thorsten

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