Jim Kress wrote:

> Who's the oldest?  Is it still Ken?
>
> Jim


I believe that destinction goes to David Wilkinson at a ripe young
age of 65. I think Chris Cason might be a it older that I but he was
a bit aloof with his reply.
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:

>I believe that destinction goes to David Wilkinson at a ripe young
>age of 65. I think Chris Cason might be a it older that I but he was
>a bit aloof with his reply.

I don't recall being aloof ...

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povray.org admin team wrote:

> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>
> >I believe that destinction goes to David Wilkinson at a ripe young
> >age of 65. I think Chris Cason might be a it older that I but he was
> >a bit aloof with his reply.
>
> I don't recall being aloof ...

Hinted but did not divulge ?

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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:

>> I don't recall being aloof ...
>
>Hinted but did not divulge ?

Yes, but a hint isn't being aloof. I tend to keep to myself, so I chose not to
give my exact age.

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The highest I've received so far is 53.  But maybe David hasn't voted yet
(well hey, it's not like it's compulsory :-)

Acutally, an interesting thing to point out about this news group is that
you're all much nicer than the people that reside in alt.3d.studio... they
just have big fights over software piracy and whose got the fastest system!
Maybe POV-Ray users are more sensible than 3DS and 3DSMAX users...

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Lance Birch <zon### [at] satcomnetau> wrote:
: Acutally, an interesting thing to point out about this news group is that
: you're all much nicer than the people that reside in alt.3d.studio... they
: just have big fights over software piracy and whose got the fastest system!
: Maybe POV-Ray users are more sensible than 3DS and 3DSMAX users...

  Well, I think it's not possible to fight about software piracy when
we are talking about povray... :)

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I guess so :-)

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On 31 Dec 1998 18:23:39 -0500, Nieminen Mika <war### [at] cctutfi> wrote:

>Lance Birch <zon### [at] satcomnetau> wrote:
>: Acutally, an interesting thing to point out about this news group is that
>: you're all much nicer than the people that reside in alt.3d.studio... they
>: just have big fights over software piracy and whose got the fastest system!
>: Maybe POV-Ray users are more sensible than 3DS and 3DSMAX users...
>
>  Well, I think it's not possible to fight about software piracy when
>we are talking about povray... :)

Sure it is.  Just ask the group for a serial number for Moray if you
want to see a fight.

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On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:08:04 +1000, "Lance Birch"
<zon### [at] satcomnetau> wrote:

>Hey Mark, you can use my first name as much as you want :-)  After all, I
>checked the survey I'm running and it seems I'm tied with another person for
>the youngest here :-)
>
>So far I've received only 10 submitions though, so it may not be that
>acurate...

Your survey form is a bit messed up: the titles for the entry fields
are in black, on a black background.  Might discourage people from
filling it out. :)

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Well, I'd have to say that for the IT field, Tina's observations were pretty
much in line with the field norm, not just historical remnants. Just a year ago
I went over several good salary surveys of the IT field, and then reviewed
things again this last spring (due to the collapse of the Asian economy and it's
local consequences, but I digress). Most seemed to agree, and what I had found
most interesting is that in a breakdown by education and sex, it turns out that
education level had very little bearing on a male's salary, with male Ph.D.
holders actually making less than those with a MS, but for females it was very
significant. There was a direct correlation between a female's education level
and her salary. Also, only with a Ph.D. did a female's salary (on the average)
catch up with and pass the males.

Also, just the other week 6 women filed suit because of gender bias that had
been continuing for the last 20 years. In light of the state of the salaries,
this can shed a little light on women being underrepresented as POV-Ray users,
since I believe that the pool of potential POV-Ray users is mainly drawn from
the pool of current computers users.

Phew. Bit of a lot to type. Anyway, I was thinking that it was pertinent to the
topic.

Jim Kress wrote:

> Sorry to disagree, but the statements by Tina are consistent with the
> current day feminists who refuse to acknowledge that earlier, historical
> concerns about women in the technical workforce have been addressed and are
> no longer significant.  After all, if they allowed that the problem was
> resolved (or well on its way to being resolved), they'd have to find
> something else to complain about or another, new 'societal travesty' to
> stimulate funding for their advocacy groups (and by extension, their
> employment).
>
> Also, with respect to experience, I have worked in a variety of companies
> (Ford, TRW, IBM, and a host of smaller companies) in a variety of positions
> (from simple scientist and engineer to VP of Engineering, Director of
> Technology Development, to simple Information Technology Consultant) in
> locations spanning the globe from Japan to the US to Europe.  In these
> capacities, I have worked with dozens of other companies to help develop and
> enhance their technology and technical abilities to design, develop, and
> manufacture world class computer based systems (and components).  I think
> that breadth and depth of experience provides some unique and encompassing
> insight into these concerns.  Insight that can't be swept away with a single
> discarding sentence.
>

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