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From time to time we of the POV-Team get bug reports or complaints that are
downright rude and sometimes also insulting. Today we received this doozy which
has to rate as one of the most rude and insulting emails we can recall
receiving this year.
First, a bit of background : 'true' English (i.e. the English language as the
English themselves spell it) uses the 'z' less often than American English.
Words such as 'minimised', 'optimised', etc, are spelt just like that - with an
's' instead of a 'z' (e.g. not 'minimized' or 'optimized').
Over the years, Americans have modified various parts of the English language
to create these variants (another good example is the US 'color' vs the English
'colour'). That's all well and good - we don't dispute the right of Americans
to change the language they speak.
However, POV-Ray is an international effort, and several of the POV authors are
not US residents. These developers generally speak English as the English do,
rather than American English (this is typical of most of the English-speaking
world, outside the USA). This means that software developed by these persons
will often use English, rather than American, spelling, unless they make an
effort to do otherwise.
That's our right and our choice. Almost every English speaker in the world
(outside the USA) knows that there are two ways of spelling some words - the
English way, and the American way.
Unfortunately, it seems that the reverse is not true. We do have, in the POVWIN
help file, a comment to that effect in the very first topic (which obviously
the person whose email is featured below didn't read).
Look at it from our point of view : if we spell something correctly, using the
English spelling, it's only fair that we ought to get peeved if someone writes
to us telling us that we 'don't know how to spell'. Non-American English
speakers would perhaps rightly get a little annoyed if an American tells them
THEY don't know how to spell, when after all it's Americans who changed the
spelling in the first place ! The original English spelling is still valid,
like it or not !
So anyhow, the person whose email to us is excerpted below seems to have the
rather strange belief that if he writes to us and insults us, somehow we'll be
only too pleased to fix the so-called 'bug' (and he did call it a bug) in our
software.
We dashed off a quick reply to him telling him - in no uncertain terms - what
we thought of his idea, but we're posting this here in the hope that some of
his fellow POV Users will also be able to explain this to him in a more
reasoned way (rather then the somewhat annoyed tone of our reply ;)
We also would like to officially nominate Jason Barlow for the 'Rudest Support
Email of 1998' award.
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Return-Path: jas### [at] xmission com
From: "Jason Barlow" <jas### [at] xmissioncom>
To: <win### [at] povrayorg>
Subject: Minor Bug...
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:03:02 -0600
[request for the following 'bug' to be fixed in version 3.1 deleted]
Whoever is writing the string/menu resources for the Windows version is not
very adept with words like optimized, minimized, or customized...all of which
are misspelled: optimised, minimised, and customised in POVray. Bad spelling
is just one of those things that detracts from the professionalism of the
product and makes users question the intelligence of the authors.
[rest of email deleted]
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He's questioning _our_ intelligence ... ? ;)
-- POV-Ray Webmaster
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Congratulations Gason.
Ken
povray.org admin team wrote:
> From time to time we of the POV-Team get bug reports or complaints that are
> downright rude and sometimes also insulting. Today we received this doozy which
> has to rate as one of the most rude and insulting emails we can recall
> receiving this year.
>
> First, a bit of background : 'true' English (i.e. the English language as the
> English themselves spell it) uses the 'z' less often than American English.
> Words such as 'minimised', 'optimised', etc, are spelt just like that - with an
> 's' instead of a 'z' (e.g. not 'minimized' or 'optimized').
>
> Over the years, Americans have modified various parts of the English language
> to create these variants (another good example is the US 'color' vs the English
> 'colour'). That's all well and good - we don't dispute the right of Americans
> to change the language they speak.
>
> However, POV-Ray is an international effort, and several of the POV authors are
> not US residents. These developers generally speak English as the English do,
> rather than American English (this is typical of most of the English-speaking
> world, outside the USA). This means that software developed by these persons
> will often use English, rather than American, spelling, unless they make an
> effort to do otherwise.
>
> That's our right and our choice. Almost every English speaker in the world
> (outside the USA) knows that there are two ways of spelling some words - the
> English way, and the American way.
>
> Unfortunately, it seems that the reverse is not true. We do have, in the POVWIN
> help file, a comment to that effect in the very first topic (which obviously
> the person whose email is featured below didn't read).
>
> Look at it from our point of view : if we spell something correctly, using the
> English spelling, it's only fair that we ought to get peeved if someone writes
> to us telling us that we 'don't know how to spell'. Non-American English
> speakers would perhaps rightly get a little annoyed if an American tells them
> THEY don't know how to spell, when after all it's Americans who changed the
> spelling in the first place ! The original English spelling is still valid,
> like it or not !
>
> So anyhow, the person whose email to us is excerpted below seems to have the
> rather strange belief that if he writes to us and insults us, somehow we'll be
> only too pleased to fix the so-called 'bug' (and he did call it a bug) in our
> software.
>
> We dashed off a quick reply to him telling him - in no uncertain terms - what
> we thought of his idea, but we're posting this here in the hope that some of
> his fellow POV Users will also be able to explain this to him in a more
> reasoned way (rather then the somewhat annoyed tone of our reply ;)
>
> We also would like to officially nominate Jason Barlow for the 'Rudest Support
> Email of 1998' award.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Return-Path: jas### [at] xmissioncom
> From: "Jason Barlow" <jas### [at] xmissioncom>
> To: <win### [at] povrayorg>
> Subject: Minor Bug...
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:03:02 -0600
>
> [request for the following 'bug' to be fixed in version 3.1 deleted]
>
> Whoever is writing the string/menu resources for the Windows version is not
> very adept with words like optimized, minimized, or customized...all of which
> are misspelled: optimised, minimised, and customised in POVray. Bad spelling
> is just one of those things that detracts from the professionalism of the
> product and makes users question the intelligence of the authors.
>
> [rest of email deleted]
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> He's questioning _our_ intelligence ... ? ;)
>
> -- POV-Ray Webmaster
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> Congratulations Gason.
I'm not entirely sure what the above means.
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povray.org admin team wrote:
> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations Gason.
>
> I'm not entirely sure what the above means.
I forwarded your message to him. The misspelling of his name
was intentional. The congratulations was an attempt, along with your
message, to get him to lighten up. It was no attempt on my part at humor
at your expense. I don't care how you choose to spell words in
POV-Ray as long as it functions properly and you continue donating
such a wonderful program to the public.
Ken
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povray.org admin team wrote:
>
> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations Gason.
>
> I'm not entirely sure what the above means.
I think Ken wants to congratulate Jaysun.
Remco
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I know this phenomenon. There is a lot of arrogant and ignorant people out
there, which haven't learnt that they aren't better than the other people.
Although they may not consciously think that they are better or that they
know more than the other people, they have that attitude, however. This
arrogance causes them to think they have the right to "correct" other
people about their mistakes, even impolitely. They don't feel that they
should have any manners. Often they are wrong about the thing they are
trying to correct other people.
I would like to say that those people are stupid or fool, but that wouldn't
be right in most of cases. Often those people are pretty intelligent,
occasionally even with great IQ.
The problem with these people is lack of wisdom and experience about life
and people. They are often very young, with little experience and with big
presumptions about themselves (I don't know if this is the right term, I'm
finnish, you know, and can only think in finnish :) ).
These kind of people make often this kind mistakes. They type very arrogant
letters or whatever and make themselves ridiculous. In most cases they are
also so supercilious they can't recognize that they have made a mistake.
I know this because I was one of those persons. I hope that I have learnt
something so I wouldn't make those mistakes again. I often write also here
very unwise articles, but I try always to apologize if I offend someone.
I think that we should forgive this person.
(My english is absolutely not good enough for this kind of philosophical
text, so forgive my typing errors)
--
- Warp. -
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I haven't seen how Windows 95 has been sold in Europe, but did they really change
all of the documentation to the Brittish spellings of words like "colour" and
"minimised"?
Besides, at least in your POV-Ray text file "#declare Red = colour rgb <1,0,0>" is
valid.
Josh English
eng### [at] spiritonecom
www.spiritone.com/~english
povray.org admin team wrote:
> From time to time we of the POV-Team get bug reports or complaints that are
> downright rude and sometimes also insulting. Today we received this doozy which
> has to rate as one of the most rude and insulting emails we can recall
> receiving this year.
>
> First, a bit of background : 'true' English (i.e. the English language as the
> English themselves spell it) uses the 'z' less often than American English.
> Words such as 'minimised', 'optimised', etc, are spelt just like that - with an
> 's' instead of a 'z' (e.g. not 'minimized' or 'optimized').
>
> Over the years, Americans have modified various parts of the English language
> to create these variants (another good example is the US 'color' vs the English
> 'colour'). That's all well and good - we don't dispute the right of Americans
> to change the language they speak.
>
> However, POV-Ray is an international effort, and several of the POV authors are
> not US residents. These developers generally speak English as the English do,
> rather than American English (this is typical of most of the English-speaking
> world, outside the USA). This means that software developed by these persons
> will often use English, rather than American, spelling, unless they make an
> effort to do otherwise.
>
> That's our right and our choice. Almost every English speaker in the world
> (outside the USA) knows that there are two ways of spelling some words - the
> English way, and the American way.
>
> Unfortunately, it seems that the reverse is not true. We do have, in the POVWIN
> help file, a comment to that effect in the very first topic (which obviously
> the person whose email is featured below didn't read).
>
> Look at it from our point of view : if we spell something correctly, using the
> English spelling, it's only fair that we ought to get peeved if someone writes
> to us telling us that we 'don't know how to spell'. Non-American English
> speakers would perhaps rightly get a little annoyed if an American tells them
> THEY don't know how to spell, when after all it's Americans who changed the
> spelling in the first place ! The original English spelling is still valid,
> like it or not !
>
> So anyhow, the person whose email to us is excerpted below seems to have the
> rather strange belief that if he writes to us and insults us, somehow we'll be
> only too pleased to fix the so-called 'bug' (and he did call it a bug) in our
> software.
>
> We dashed off a quick reply to him telling him - in no uncertain terms - what
> we thought of his idea, but we're posting this here in the hope that some of
> his fellow POV Users will also be able to explain this to him in a more
> reasoned way (rather then the somewhat annoyed tone of our reply ;)
>
> We also would like to officially nominate Jason Barlow for the 'Rudest Support
> Email of 1998' award.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Return-Path: jas### [at] xmissioncom
> From: "Jason Barlow" <jas### [at] xmissioncom>
> To: <win### [at] povrayorg>
> Subject: Minor Bug...
> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:03:02 -0600
>
> [request for the following 'bug' to be fixed in version 3.1 deleted]
>
> Whoever is writing the string/menu resources for the Windows version is not
> very adept with words like optimized, minimized, or customized...all of which
> are misspelled: optimised, minimised, and customised in POVray. Bad spelling
> is just one of those things that detracts from the professionalism of the
> product and makes users question the intelligence of the authors.
>
> [rest of email deleted]
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> He's questioning _our_ intelligence ... ? ;)
>
> -- POV-Ray Webmaster
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Hear Hear Ken
mick hazelgrove
Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in article
<360119CE.494DD9D2@pacbell.net>...
> povray.org admin team wrote:
>
> > Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations Gason.
> >
> > I'm not entirely sure what the above means.
>
> I forwarded your message to him. The misspelling of his name
> was intentional. The congratulations was an attempt, along with your
> message, to get him to lighten up. It was no attempt on my part at humor
> at your expense. I don't care how you choose to spell words in
> POV-Ray as long as it functions properly and you continue donating
> such a wonderful program to the public.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
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Josh English wrote in message <36013B15.12B901EE@spiritone.com>...
>I haven't seen how Windows 95 has been sold in Europe, but did they really
change
>all of the documentation to the Brittish spellings of words like "colour"
and
>"minimised"?
I don't know, but it's not like W95 would be sold in English over here in
Europe. Well, in Great Britain, Ireland etc. it probably is :-)
I made a quick check: The international W95 CDs of the MSDN contain W95
versions for the languages below (for some of which I have no idea what they
are :-), but I could not find a British-English version, and on the U.S.
version CD contains only one language version.
:-)
Johannes.
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Arabic.ena
Arabic.loc
Basque
Braport
Catalan
Czech
Dansih
Dutch
Finnish
French
German
Greek
Hebrew
Hungarian
Iberport
Italian
Japanese.98
Japanese.at
Korean
Norwegian
Paneuro
Polish
Russion
Slovakian
Slovenian
Spanish
Swedish
Thai
Turkish
Vietnam
Simplyfied Chinese
Traditional Chinese
and probably some more I missed...
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In article <36014a24.0@news.povray.org> , "Johannes Hubert" <jhu### [at] algonetse>
wrote:
>I don't know, but it's not like W95 would be sold in English over here in
>Europe. Well, in Great Britain, Ireland etc. it probably is :-)
>I made a quick check: The international W95 CDs of the MSDN contain W95
>versions for the languages below (for some of which I have no idea what they
>are :-), but I could not find a British-English version, and on the U.S.
>version CD contains only one language version.
Well, try the Apple Macintoshs Mac OS, Apple offers a "British"(!!!!) Mac OS! This is
the prove that MS even wants to enforce language standards outside the computer world,
isn't? ;-)
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
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