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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 1 Feb 2002 07:09:44
Message: <3c5a8588@news.povray.org>
> > I would like to sugest to write the book in latex. There is at last one
> > application which converts tex inputs directly to pdf and it is free.
>
> I think DocBook would probably be a better choice, since it's designed
> for writing technical books.

lets do it in MS Word, and print to PDF with Adobe Acrobat 5

seriously - MS Word does have very useful document tracking .....

:)


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 1 Feb 2002 09:04:01
Message: <3c5aa051@news.povray.org>
Rick [Kitty5] <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote:
: lets do it in MS Word, and print to PDF with Adobe Acrobat 5

: seriously - MS Word does have very useful document tracking .....

  You assume that everyone can afford buying Word. (I don't.)

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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 1 Feb 2002 09:15:14
Message: <3c5aa2f2@news.povray.org>
I think that before we discuss printing programs or even content of the
book, we should settle on the grade of paper we are going to use.


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From: Dean MacIsaac
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 1 Feb 2002 12:07:13
Message: <3c5acb41@news.povray.org>
don't you need to know the font, how many exact pages up front, and whether
the ink is environment safe first?  These are all pure logic to me...

I mean as long as the horse is pushing the cart...  Right?


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 1 Feb 2002 12:42:59
Message: <3c5ad3a3@news.povray.org>
"Dean MacIsaac" <dma### [at] starabiliascom> wrote in message
news:3c5acb41@news.povray.org...
> don't you need to know the font, how many exact pages up front, and
whether
> the ink is environment safe first?  These are all pure logic to me...
>
> I mean as long as the horse is pushing the cart...  Right?

    You're right, especially about the page count. If we aren't doing a 845
page book, I think we should just give it up. I got a 846 page book once and
it was lousy.

    All joking aside, if multiple people are going to work on a book,
choosing a common electronic format is the first step, but more than a
little debate is counterproductive. *.doc is common enough and has enough
emulators. Full MSWord .doc has some features that make writing a manual
much easier.


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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 1 Feb 2002 15:33:20
Message: <3c5afb90@news.povray.org>
>     All joking aside, if multiple people are going to work on a book,
> choosing a common electronic format is the first step, but more than a
> little debate is counterproductive. *.doc is common enough and has enough
> emulators. Full MSWord .doc has some features that make writing a manual
> much easier.

which only MS word can use... unfortunately all non windows based word
converters at best recover the text and some formatting (if your lucky), all
the fancy goodies that would make Word a good choice for writing a book only
work on Word.


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 1 Feb 2002 15:46:20
Message: <3c5afe9c@news.povray.org>
"Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote :
>
> which only MS word can use...

    I don't have a problem with that (even though it is not quite true).
Anyone who is serious about computer art gets good tools, same with writing.
Most people probably have word, and if not, those that do can import the odd
txt file. In the end we will probably reformat it to PDF, RTF or html
anyway. But since we are talking about a book with images and special
character formats, there is no chance that we will be using platform
independent, open source file formats. May as well go with a full featured,
relatively common program so that the project can proceed.

    Unless you think everyone should go out and buy Acrobat.


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 1 Feb 2002 17:01:01
Message: <3c5b101d@news.povray.org>
In article <3c5a8588@news.povray.org> , "Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com> 
wrote:

> lets do it in MS Word, and print to PDF with Adobe Acrobat 5

Getting Word to handle a larger document, especially with images will most
likely corrupt the document or cause lots of other problems.  The appropriate
tool to write and edit really long manuals/books is FrameMaker.  Of course, it
costs even more than Word unless one gets a student discount or can use it at
work :-(

Nevertheless, it of course imports Word (and other, more generic formats) and
in theory only the book editor would need it...

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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 1 Feb 2002 20:44:40
Message: <3c5b4488@news.povray.org>
> > lets do it in MS Word, and print to PDF with Adobe Acrobat 5
>
> Getting Word to handle a larger document, especially with images will most
> likely corrupt the document or cause lots of other problems.  The
appropriate
> tool to write and edit really long manuals/books is FrameMaker.  Of
course, it
> costs even more than Word unless one gets a student discount or can use it
at
> work :-(

I doubt anyone in there right mind would write an entire book in a single
word doc :)


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From: Mitchell Waite
Subject: Re: 2nd Post with Meaning :)
Date: 2 Feb 2002 11:53:24
Message: <3c5c1984$1@news.povray.org>
Just to bring a little reality back to the post, 98% of all computer books
today are written in Word. Images are NOT embedded in the docs, they are
attached via a link, or just referenced with a Fig X-Y and collected into a
folder. Word is used for its spelling checker, and its revision tracking,
which makes it easy to make changes to an authors work and lets them see
every little change made in the red line document, and change it back if
they wish. Tables are NOT usually used in Word because its difficult to get
them into a DTP program like Quark or Pagemaker. And finally using Word
makes it easy to convert to an acrobat PDF file.

"Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
news:3c588f1f$1@news.povray.org...
> I am the second poster and in an attempt to show that this list will have
> value, I actually have something to say <wink>.
>
> We are starting a new POV Ray book and it is shaping up to be the end all,
> be all, best ever book on POV Ray. It will be in (ta da) full color, and
(I
> hope) fully reviewed and sanctioned by the POV Ray team. The book will be
> between 700 and 1000 pages long, and will not compete with but rather will
> enchance the documentation. A PDF version of it will be available as well.
>
> If you are interested in earning some royalty off all the fun you have had
> with this program, please email me at mit### [at] dnaicom. I will sign you
up
> to our discussion list, send our outline and help you determine what areas
> you would like to contribute to.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Mitch Waite
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>
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