Jaap <jws### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> is there any info avalable about the number of entries,
> total size of submitted images, etc. ?

  Not yet. Please be patient.

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Warp wrote:

> Jaap wrote:

> > is there any info avalable about the number of entries,
> > total size of submitted images, etc. ?
>
>   Not yet. Please be patient.

Guesstimates:

The www.povcomp.com site was programmed to accept entries. It's not
programmed yet to display the collated results.

While it reprograms, the judges must do things they must do anyway before
unveiling. These "things" prevent the judges from even posting early numbers
to this newsgroup.

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In article <41782f14@news.povray.org> , "Phlip" <phl### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

> The www.povcomp.com site was programmed to accept entries. It's not
> programmed yet to display the collated results.

No, that is not it.  We are currently discussing the images that have been
submitted.  There will be news soon.

    Thorsten

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> Phlip wrote:
>
> > The www.povcomp.org site was programmed to accept entries. It's not
> > programmed yet to display the collated results.
>
> No, that is not it.  We are currently discussing the images that have been
> submitted.  There will be news soon.

Mine was a pessimistic software engineering estimate. ;-)

-- 
  Phlip
  http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces

In article <417975df@news.povray.org> , "Phlip" <phl### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

>> No, that is not it.  We are currently discussing the images that have been
>> submitted.  There will be news soon.
>
> Mine was a pessimistic software engineering estimate. ;-)

Well, as it turns out we may well have underestimated the time needed to
create as impressive images as we had imagined...

    Thorsten

____________________________________________________
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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> In article <417975df@news.povray.org> , "Phlip" <phl### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>
> >> No, that is not it.  We are currently discussing the images that have been
> >> submitted.  There will be news soon.
> >
> > Mine was a pessimistic software engineering estimate. ;-)
>
> Well, as it turns out we may well have underestimated the time needed to
> create as impressive images as we had imagined...
>
>     Thorsten

It sounds like you have just seriously insulted every artist who
participated in this contest.  I hope that I am misinterpreting your
comment.  I'll be the first to admit that I doubt my image was good enough
to win the competition, but I did put in quite a lot of work.

If you didn't get the quality and/or number of images you expected, you
might also attribute that to several other possible problems.  Perhaps word
didn't spread about the contest as far and as quickly as you wanted.  I
don't know exactly when the contest started, I think I only discovered it
about halfway through the allotted time.  There also hasn't been a lot of
activity on the home page for the contest.  Finally, this is the first time
I've heard of this contest, and the first time out, you almost never get
the turnout you'd expect.  I'm sure that next year's contest will get a lot
more entries, especially if you offer similar prizes.

I hope that you will clarify the remark you made above quickly so people
won't jump to the wrong conclusions.

"rben" <ray### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message 
news:web.417a72b78851153d497bbfc0@news.povray.org...
> "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
>> In article <417975df@news.povray.org> , "Phlip" <phl### [at] yahoocom> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> No, that is not it.  We are currently discussing the images that have 
>> >> been
>> >> submitted.  There will be news soon.
>> >
>> > Mine was a pessimistic software engineering estimate. ;-)
>>
>> Well, as it turns out we may well have underestimated the time needed to
>> create as impressive images as we had imagined...
>>
>>     Thorsten
>
> It sounds like you have just seriously insulted every artist who
> participated in this contest.  I hope that I am misinterpreting your
> comment.  I'll be the first to admit that I doubt my image was good enough
> to win the competition, but I did put in quite a lot of work.
>
> If you didn't get the quality and/or number of images you expected, you
> might also attribute that to several other possible problems.  Perhaps 
> word
> didn't spread about the contest as far and as quickly as you wanted.  I
> don't know exactly when the contest started, I think I only discovered it
> about halfway through the allotted time.  There also hasn't been a lot of
> activity on the home page for the contest.  Finally, this is the first 
> time
> I've heard of this contest, and the first time out, you almost never get
> the turnout you'd expect.  I'm sure that next year's contest will get a 
> lot
> more entries, especially if you offer similar prizes.
>
> I hope that you will clarify the remark you made above quickly so people
> won't jump to the wrong conclusions.
>

In Thorsten's defense, I certainly could have used more time, and from 
reading many of the comments that other participants made (especially those 
who dropped-out), it sounds like most of them simply couldn't produce the 
image that they wanted in the time they had available.  Sure, personal 
issues get in the way, but that's why we're all amateurs.  To produce 
something really cool, I would like to have had the freedom to render for a 
couple weeks or more (with high-radiosity, etc.), while still having 
modelled most of the items from scratch.  But to produce another poster-size 
image from that, it could be expected to render for a couple months or more.

In the IRTC, I didn't feel as much pressure to use newly-made models. 
Gilles' "The Wet Bird" uses a ton of third-party models, which would have 
counted against him in this competition (or at least, it wouldn't have been 
in his favor).  However, we've certainly seem some impressive things come 
from Gilles and others where most (or all) of the models were created from 
scratch.  I guess the thing that we don't always know is WHEN those models 
were created.  For me, the modelling took a lot of time, since I was also 
learning as I went along, in many cases.

-- 
Jeremy
www.beantoad.com

In article <web.417a72b78851153d497bbfc0@news.povray.org> , "rben" 
<ray### [at] comcastnet> wrote:

>> Well, as it turns out we may well have underestimated the time needed to
>> create as impressive images as we had imagined...
>
> It sounds like you have just seriously insulted every artist who
> participated in this contest.  I hope that I am misinterpreting your
> comment.

I am not sure how you could reach the conclusion that admitting that we as
organizers did not give artists enough time would insult the artists.  So
you are not misinterpreting my statement, you misunderstood it completely!

    Thorsten

____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org

"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> In article <web.417a72b78851153d497bbfc0@news.povray.org> , "rben"
> <ray### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
>
> >> Well, as it turns out we may well have underestimated the time needed to
> >> create as impressive images as we had imagined...
> >
> > It sounds like you have just seriously insulted every artist who
> > participated in this contest.  I hope that I am misinterpreting your
> > comment.
>
> I am not sure how you could reach the conclusion that admitting that we as
> organizers did not give artists enough time would insult the artists.  So
> you are not misinterpreting my statement, you misunderstood it completely!
>
>     Thorsten

I think rben was referring to the "create as impressive images as we had
imagined..." part more than "not give artists enough time".  I can see that
the purpose of this competition is to create something really impressive
with Povray, but like all other competitions, the outcome should be based
on the relative quality of the entries. Please don't take me wrong but I
think it is hard to keep a balance between the two.

Johnny

In article <web.417a9e928851153d4a03977c0@news.povray.org> , "j" 
<phazxero[at]hotmail[dot]com> wrote:

>> I am not sure how you could reach the conclusion that admitting that we as
>> organizers did not give artists enough time would insult the artists.  So
>> you are not misinterpreting my statement, you misunderstood it completely!
>
> I think rben was referring to the "create as impressive images as we had
> imagined..." part more than "not give artists enough time".

I only wrote one sentence, and I was referring to the whole.  Also, maybe it
should be pointed out that "imagined" is not a synonym for "expected" in
case the misunderstanding was based on a language problem.

    Thorsten

____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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