"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
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> St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>>     Does it matter if I entered or not? What did I post in my first post? 
>> It
>> wasn't a "Great image" contest, it was merely a "Great PoV-Ray" contest.
>> Full stop.
>
>  And your point is?

      My point is that if it was a 'pure pov only' contest, you wouldn't, 
and couldn't, have had the entries that you did. You 'had' to allow 
modellers. I bet you sighed with relief when you found out that image was 
pov only?

>
>  Perhaps we should have allowed 3DStudioMax renderings as well to
> satisfy your needs?

     No. I understand why this competition came about, and endorse any 
promotional media to do with pov.


>
>>      Yes, and as good as they were, not one of them won. *Pure* PoV won.
>
>  Because it happened to be the best image.
>  It did not win because it did not use any external models. It won
> because it was the best image. The fact that it did not use any
> external models at all was commendable, but basically a coincidence.
> It could have used some external models and still have won.
>
>>     Yes, emotional, but they understand, they 'know' MY points. Listen 
>> RD, I
>> sent my image to one of the *judges* on a friendly basis, not knowing 
>> that
>> person was one of the judges, how do you think I feel now?! How do you 
>> think
>> he feels??
>
>>    I'm glad I didn't enter, I respect the person I sent it to, and 
>> wouldn't
>> want to spoil that. This is why I'm arguing that it should have been 
>> set-up
>> properly.
>
>  You are not making any sense here. I don't understand what do you mean.

  It's simple. The judges *shouldn't* have been disclosed for a start. Of 
the ones I know, I can *only* see one in that list that I would say is 
actually qualified to judge, and whatever you say, if I'd have entered, I 
would most certainly have felt that there was a bias towards myself by one 
of them. Sometimes it's difficult to tell what kind of 'mood' someone is in 
when they post, but you can *always* tell what attitude they have by *what* 
they post.

   ~Steve~




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"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in message 
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> St. wrote:
>> Hey, I *LOVE* PoVRay. Let's get that straight, first and foremost. I 
>> think most of you know that.
>>
>>  BUT... but...
>>
>> After reviewing the judges comments on the winners excellent image, I 
>> know I won't ever have a chance. Ever. It should be called "POVONLYCOMP"!
>
> I don't want to repeat what others have already replied but i would 
> seriously suggest you have a considerate look at the following aspects (in 
> fact this reply is not exclusively at you but also at others who might 
> feel strange about the ratings of their/others images or the judges 
> comments):
>
> - the organizers and the judges have put quite some work into offering the 
> users of POV-Ray this competition and in addition have been able to get 
> some sponsors to offer prizes for the winners.  If you don't like the 
> contest for some reasons you are welcome to suggest improvements (although 
> that's a bit late for POVCOMP 2004) as well as not to enter the contest (a 
> bit late as well) but to be frank, i find it somewhat unappreciative to 
> criticise the judges for the comments they have made (who are only trying 
> to support the artists improving their images with those comments) and the 
> organizers for the design of the contest (who are only trying to make the 
> contest most useful for the participants, the sponsors and POV-Ray).

    Sure, I understand this, but please, don't think I was unappreciative. I 
just think it was a waste of time for anyone not using pov only.



>
> - as far as i have seen none of the the judges' comments (which - as 
> others have already explained - do not necessarily reflect the judges 
> criteria to rate the images) in any way contradicts the judging criteria 
> that have been put up in the competition guidelines and that have received 
> in general a positive reaction before the competition end.

    I agree with you, it's a *great* competition! BUT, I think totally 
'neutral' judges should have been used.

   ~Steve~


>
> Christoph
>
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"ABX" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:16:07 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>> > Let me just quote invitation message for POVCOMP: "The aim of POVCOMP 
>> > 2004
>> > is
>> > to show the full potential of POV-Ray."
>>
>> Then I was right.
>
> Yes you are right in noticing that POV-Ray maintainers and developers 
> which
> spend more than 10 years on hard making it, could organize contest to
> encourage people to explore flexibility of this tool in various fields.

   'Flexibility' being the operative word here.

>
>> So why entice 'other' povray users, ABX?
>
> To learn tool better.
>
>> Sorry ABX, but I am pissed with this - and if anyone thinks it's "sour
>> grapes", you're SO wrong.
>
> I do not understand "sour grapes" in the above sentence, sorry. I do not
> understand all the phrases available in english. And I do not understand 
> why
> did you addressed it to me. I wasn't maintainer of the contest.

    The first part of the sentence, (before the 'dash'), was addressed to 
you, and the rest was aimed at everyone. 'Sour grapes' means that I did not 
like the end result of the contest, I wasn't happy with it. I felt 
'let-down'. Bemused, etc. For the record, I agree with the judges, and yes, 
Johnny's image was fantastic! Fair play to him, he deserved it.


>
>> I want to learn POV the way *I* want to learn it,
>> and use it. That's what it's there for. To use.
>
> Go in peace and do not destroy the happy time of the awarded povers then.

  Nice try ABX. ;)  But, if you haven't noticed yet, I'm here to stay, so 
get used to it? :)


> There is so many contests in the world I want to participate but I don't
> because I do not meet their audience, requirements or timelines. I can 
> give
> you urls to them if you wish. Find your place youself and allow others to 
> be
> happy :-)

  I'm not about contests. I'm about PoV-Ray. Heck, I even put PoV-Comp on 
our website to get more people interested. I don't know if that worked, but 
I hope it got a few more people knowing POV. :)

    ~Steve~


>
> ABX

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>
>   I did that, I used POV, but wouldn't have had a chance in hell of
winning
Nope but you had one of whining! and you took it indeed...

Marc

"Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
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>

> news:421e3e20@news.povray.org...
>>
>>   I did that, I used POV, but wouldn't have had a chance in hell of
> winning
> Nope but you had one of whining! and you took it indeed...

  I thought better of you.

   ~Steve~




>
> Marc
>
>

St. wrote:
> 
> "Marc Jacquier" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
> news:421f83a4$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>>

>> news:421e3e20@news.povray.org...
>>
>>>
>>>   I did that, I used POV, but wouldn't have had a chance in hell of
>>
>> winning
>> Nope but you had one of whining! and you took it indeed...
> 
> 
>  I thought better of you.
> 
>   ~Steve~
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
> 
Steve, he's just giving you a "read".  Stop taking swings at people. 
You gotta calm down.

"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
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> St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>>     Ross, no third party models were used in my image. They were all 
>> mine.
>> Around 150+ made in Wings.
>
>  So, is it your opinion that since you made 150+ objects in Wings you
> should have won the competition?

    Don't be silly.


>
>>    Still can't find it? I missed the deadline by minutes in the end, ( I
>> tried, literally), but to no avail, ask the comp compilers.
>
>  And still you dare to argument that you would have not won because
> you were using too many imported models?
>  Pretty big assumptions you make...

     This has nothing to do with my image. It is to do with principle.


>
>>     Well, obviously, that wasn't my image, but that's what would have 
>> been
>> said about my image after a lot of hard work. So, back to my point. Why
>> entice PoVRay users, (generally), to enter this contest if it was 
>> worthless
>> to the external modeler?
>
>>   Why did so many good CG artists enter this comp knowing that external
>> models would fare badly?
>
>  There's a big difference between using external models and composing
> your entire scene solely of external models.
>  The objective of the competition was not to show how POV-Ray can be
> used to project meshes onto the screen.

   Blah blah blah... (and so it goes on). Yawn.

   ~Steve~


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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:57:44 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> I did not like the end result of the contest, I wasn't happy with it.
> (...) I agree with the judges, and yes,
> Johnny's image was fantastic! Fair play to him, he deserved it.

IMO judges and award to Johny == end result of the contest.
I can't help you I'm affraid, sorry :-(

> I'm not about contests. I'm about PoV-Ray.

This is wrong group then.

ABX

"ABX" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:57:44 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:

>> I'm not about contests. I'm about PoV-Ray.
>
> This is wrong group then.

    Maybe.  :(

   ~Steve~


>
> ABX

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>
> > Nope but you had one of whining! and you took it indeed...

Sorry I should have wrote "Maybe" instead of "Nope"

>   I thought better of you.

So did I.
I am not a native English speaker and it's not easy for me to express what I
mean but I made this conpetition mostly for the fun, so I cant share your
point of view.

Marc