Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>   Extending the deadline serves everyone, ending the competition now
> serves no-one (except perhaps the winner).

Good thing that there is no chance in hell that I will be the winner.

>   Extending the deadline serves the entrants and potential entrants:
> Many people complained that they did not have the time to make an entry
> even though they would have wanted. Some even complained that they started
> making an entry but did not make it in time. Some entrants have expressed
> that they did not have time to develop the image as much as they would
> have wanted.

I think people will be much less angry if the deadline is extended BEFORE
the initial deadline is reached. I have seen these complains on the forum
earlier, and perhaps people should've voiced their concerns well before the
competition ends.

"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> This being a POV-Ray competition, asking people to show off their POV-Ray
> skills is somehow mandatory. Can this turn off people? Perhaps, but the best
> POV-Ray images should be intrinsically POV-Ray made

Agreed, and this shouldn't be limited to just models, but textures as well.
It is not easy to make really good procedural textures in Povray but in
many cases it is possible. So I think the judges should have a certain
level of weighing on pov-made texture as well.  Will all the judges be
familar with Povray so that they can evaluate the technical aspects of the
entries?

J

j <phazxero[at]hotmail[dot]com> wrote:
> I think people will be much less angry if the deadline is extended BEFORE
> the initial deadline is reached.

  I suppose the team was hoping that it was just a case of people working
hard until the last possible moment before submitting their work, and
that they would get a flood of entries close to the deadline. Unfortunately
that seemed to be a wrong assumption. The deadline came and no flood.

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> I think people will be much less angry if the deadline is extended BEFORE
> the initial deadline is reached.

That would have been better for everyone in retrospect, but it was not
possible to take such a decision before the deadline without knowing the
final number of entries. We had some inkling of the problem when some folks
reported that they were quitting the competition in these groups, but this
alone wasn't enough to postpone it. The fact that 75% the registered
contestants had dropped out was an unwelcome surprise to say the less.

> Agreed, and this shouldn't be limited to just models, but textures as
well.
> It is not easy to make really good procedural textures in Povray but in
> many cases it is possible. So I think the judges should have a certain
> level of weighing on pov-made texture as well.  Will all the judges be
> familar with Povray so that they can evaluate the technical aspects of the
> entries?

Most judges won't be familiar with POV-Ray. However, the judges will discuss
the pictures and those with POV-Ray experience will have the opportunity to
point out the POV-specific qualities of the images.

G.


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"jute" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
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> "m1j" <mik### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > There is no suggesting in my post. I was just stating a warning. We
could
>
> Of course the was.  You suggested that, and I quote, '[if] anyoneone has
> access to legal advice I would encourage some counseling'.
>
> You'd better calm down a bit before your next post.
>
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>
>
>

i think you might have misunderstood his intentions. so did i initially (it
sounded like veiled threats honestly), but by reading his response i trust
he means that he encourages the povcomp team to seek legal counseling before
finalizing the deadline extention. That seems like sound advice.

-r

"Ross" <rli### [at] everestkcnet> wrote:
> "jute" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
> news:web.417f69eab45fa19e67c1c3ff0@news.povray.org...
> > "m1j" <mik### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > > There is no suggesting in my post. I was just stating a warning. We
> could
> >
> > Of course the was.  You suggested that, and I quote, '[if] anyoneone has
> > access to legal advice I would encourage some counseling'.
> >
> > You'd better calm down a bit before your next post.
> >
> > --
> > jussi.kantola
> >
> >
> >
>
> i think you might have misunderstood his intentions. so did i initially (it
> sounded like veiled threats honestly), but by reading his response i trust
> he means that he encourages the povcomp team to seek legal counseling before
> finalizing the deadline extention. That seems like sound advice.
>
> -r

Thank you very much for accurately reading my post. I intended no threat
from me but just concern that some one could and might.

Well, I guess I really can't say whether this extension is a good thing or a
bad thing.  I had dropped out of this competition when I was almost
finished with a *not very refined* entry due to time constraints.  Since
the closure of the contest, I have been able to dedicate more of my effort
to other demanding (and exceptionally gluttonous) time-devouring subjects.
Now that it has reopened, I will have to finish my work and submit it.
This will hog a lot more of my already scarce commodity (time), but I think
it will be rather more rewarding than most of my mandated pursuits (aka
school :p).  I really don't care where I stand or will stand as far as
comparative quality, I just want to be able to satisfy my own imagination
(it's finicky, that's for sure!)
Let's oil those engines and get back in the race!
Don't worry about getting frustrated; If worst comes to worst, come and join
me in Antarctica, I'll have the Penguins put on some more hot chocolate.

Good luck one and all (not just to the entrants, I mean everybody)!

Gena wrote:

> Dave Matthews wrote:
> 
>> And I do think that it is very important to get submissions from more 
>> of the
>> really great POVers, especially since you and Christoph and some of the
>> other experts exempted yourselves in order to organize the competition.
> 
> 
> I think everybody can participate now including organizers. Why not?
> 
> Gena.
> 

I'd love it, but I thought that they'd decided not to.  (I wonder what 
that first prize would be capable of in Christoph's or Gilles' hands?)

Dave Matthews

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> I think everybody can participate now including organizers. Why not?

It's prohibited by the rules. If there were no prizes that wouldn't be much
a problem, but with a financial incentive, it would immediately lead to
suspicion and to all sorts of potential troubles, including legal ones.

G.


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"Ross" <rli### [at] everestkcnet> wrote:
> he means that he encourages the povcomp team to seek legal counseling before
> finalizing the deadline extention. That seems like sound advice.

I stand corrected.  Sorry m1j.

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> It's prohibited by the rules. 

But you yourself make the rules :)


> If there were no prizes that wouldn't be much
> a problem, but with a financial incentive, it would immediately lead to
> suspicion and to all sorts of potential troubles, including legal ones.

It's a pity that from competition were excluded people who
proved their commitment to POV-Ray during many years and who
really deserve the prize.

Gena.