Sven Littkowski <jam### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>  Also, my free hard drive
> space shrinks down each time.

Micro$haft appears to assume that we all have unlimited storage.

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Am 27.12.2015 um 15:42 schrieb Cousin Ricky:
> Sven Littkowski <jam### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>>  Also, my free hard drive
>> space shrinks down each time.
> 
> Micro$haft appears to assume that we all have unlimited storage.

We're talking about software intended for developers there, not for "us
all".

A feature-rich development environment, free to use for non-profit
purposes (and even free to use for small commercial enterprises, as far
as I understand) is really far from being a bad thing.

And there is no way (well, no /sane/ way, at any rate) to create a
feature-rich development environment that is both stable, performant
/and/ compact all at the same time. With this type of project, you
/have/ to optimize for maintainability in general, and speed in certain
essential sections. Hard disk space consumption /must/ inevitably have
the lowest priority of all your optimization efforts.

Also, nobody says you have to install /all/ the stuff the setup offers you.


@Sven:

You might want to check out one of these links:

https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=615448&clcid=0x407
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=615448&clcid=0x409

These will take you directly to the download of an ISO image of the
Visual Studio 2015 Community edition, the first link being the German
variant and the second being the English one.

You'll most probably have to download a lot more, and you'll need to
either burn it to a DVD afterwards or use a tool that can make ISO
images available as virtual DVD drives, but at least you'll be able to
use a download manager and thereby deal with connection aborts.

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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 27.12.2015 um 15:42 schrieb Cousin Ricky:
> > Sven Littkowski <jam### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> >>  Also, my free hard drive
> >> space shrinks down each time.
> >
> > Micro$haft appears to assume that we all have unlimited storage.
>
> We're talking about software intended for developers there, not for "us
> all".

Developer tools or not, Micro$haft software consumes storage, and its documents
consume storage, in ever increasing amounts.  Back in the '90s, my job required
us to give brief weekly reports, and we discovered that our two-sentence
documents were 50 KB.  Turns out that M$ Word's "quick save" feature just
appended your edits to the end of the document, so it just kept growing no
matter what.  And their HTML converter produced documents with 15 times as much
markup as actual content.

I don't know is this is still true, because I haven't used their end-user
software in years.  But more recently, I learned that their system updates leave
the old code behind indefinitely, causing the OS to grow by gigabytes over the
years.

I am convinced that Microsoft is in cahoots with the hardware manufacturers to
keep us buying new shit.

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Am 27.12.2015 um 18:34 schrieb Cousin Ricky:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>> Am 27.12.2015 um 15:42 schrieb Cousin Ricky:
>>> Sven Littkowski <jam### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>>>>  Also, my free hard drive
>>>> space shrinks down each time.
>>>
>>> Micro$haft appears to assume that we all have unlimited storage.
>>
>> We're talking about software intended for developers there, not for "us
>> all".
> 
> Developer tools or not, Micro$haft software consumes storage, and its documents
> consume storage,

... as does every piece of software, and every document...

> in ever increasing amounts.

... as is also the case with virtually every other software company out
there. Software accumulates features, and features don't come for free
in terms of memory requirements.


> Back in the '90s, my job required
> us to give brief weekly reports, and we discovered that our two-sentence
> documents were 50 KB.  Turns out that M$ Word's "quick save" feature just
> appended your edits to the end of the document, so it just kept growing no
> matter what.

That's what made the quick-save feature so quick.
Don't say MS Office didn't give you a choice to choose between size and
speed, because it did.

> And their HTML converter produced documents with 15 times as much
> markup as actual content.

I give you that, but it's not like MS was the only company with crappy
HTML generators.


> I don't know is this is still true,

Now that surely is a good starting position for claiming /anything/
about Microsoft...


> But more recently, I learned that their system updates leave
> the old code behind indefinitely, causing the OS to grow by gigabytes over the
> years.

That's because this gives you the possibility to roll back system
updates. A pretty nice feature when updates are installed automatically.
I actually needed this once.

Here's a small hint for you: The windows hard disk space cleanup tool
does come with an option to ditch that old code.


I'm not saying Microsoft is producing the greatest software out there
ever. There certainly is a lot to complain about. But this started off
about Microsoft's Visual Studio, and I dare say that MS is doing an
amazingly good job on /that/ product line -- not only compared to their
other products, but even compared to competitors' tools.

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Thanks! Great hint, will do.   :-)

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Hi again, CLipka. I finally finished the ISO download (German version),
and get on installation attempt the same errors as before. I signed up
now with social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio and hope to get
answers there from the VS developers.

But just for the sake of the possibility of a faster assistance: if you
look to the attached screenshot, can you imagine what is the cause of
the error? Thanks.



On 27.12.2015 10:21, clipka wrote:
> @Sven:
> 
> You might want to check out one of these links:
> 
> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=615448&clcid=0x407
> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=615448&clcid=0x409

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Am 11.01.2016 um 02:41 schrieb Sven Littkowski:
> Hi again, CLipka. I finally finished the ISO download (German version),
> and get on installation attempt the same errors as before. I signed up
> now with social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio and hope to get
> answers there from the VS developers.
> 
> But just for the sake of the possibility of a faster assistance: if you
> look to the attached screenshot, can you imagine what is the cause of
> the error? Thanks.

While it looks familiar to me, I have no idea how I got around it.
Probably involved a very close look at the logfiles, and quite some
browsing on the internet.

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Okay, I found it out.

The cruel truth is, that the Microsoft Visual Studio Community Edition
Setup mixes up the DLLs for the 32 and 64 bit versions. Highly
unprofessional. After the faulty installation, one is now still required
to go into the PROGRAMS AND FEATURES section of the Windows Control
Panel, and REPAIR that faulty installation (something that takes several
hours). Just after that additional step, one can start to use the MS VS
software.

I think, this information should be published on the POV-Ray website on
those locations, where they talk about own (custom) compilations of
POV-Ray and what programs to use for it.

By the way, is POV-Ray written in C# or C++?

Thanks.

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It seems to me, inside the entire POV-Ray Stable Zip there is no
"build.h" file. Can you verify? I would make that change, but can't
without that "build.h" file.

Besides, after I made the changes to "blob.cpp", which file do I have to
load (open) into the MS VS C software to compile my own version?

And how to compile - what menu commonds should I use?

Thanks for the great help, so far. :-)

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I have povray.sln opened.

VS wants to update several POV-Ray files to the latest, newest version
of VS. I permitted this.

The VS does not give me any command like "compile" (as I am used from
Delphi). How to create the EXE file(s)? Thanks.

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