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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 12 Jul 2010 08:57:20
Message: <4c3b1130$1@news.povray.org>
On 12/07/2010 1:33 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> really wanna laugh ... check out some of the color names!

The scatological ones are sad.

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	Stephen


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From: waggy
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 12 Jul 2010 10:05:01
Message: <web.4c3b207c3ccde340f99d05c80@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

> The scatological ones are sad.

With thirteen shades of feces, I'd like to get hold of a "Jackson Pollock"
procedural texture and model a fan...

Oh, and I based a PickedColor(Color) macro on Clipka's PickedRGB(R,G,B) with
gamma 2.2 to adjust them, but at least some of the colors still seem washed out
in beta.35a.

http://wiki.povray.org/content/User:Clipka/Gamma#Getting_Individual_Colors_Right

~waggy


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 12 Jul 2010 11:14:22
Message: <4c3b314e$1@news.povray.org>
On 12/07/2010 3:02 PM, waggy wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
>> The scatological ones are sad.
>
> With thirteen shades of feces, I'd like to get hold of a "Jackson Pollock"
> procedural texture and model a fan...
>

You counted them?

Weird or what? ;-)

> Oh, and I based a PickedColor(Color) macro on Clipka's PickedRGB(R,G,B) with
> gamma 2.2 to adjust them, but at least some of the colors still seem washed out
> in beta.35a.
>
> http://wiki.povray.org/content/User:Clipka/Gamma#Getting_Individual_Colors_Right
>
Red, green or blue is good enough for me. :-)



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	Stephen


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From: waggy
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 12 Jul 2010 12:35:00
Message: <web.4c3b437a3ccde340f99d05c80@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> You counted them?
>
> Weird or what? ;-)

I could claim a legitimate use for modeling wastewater treatment systems...

> Red, green or blue is good enough for me. :-)

Ah, but there is power in naming things.

The original author converted all spaces, slashes, and apostrophes
to underscores, resulting in some name duplications and redeclared variables.
Instead, the attached file changed slash characters to _SLASH_,
apostrophes to _APOS_, and only spaces to underscores.

I also combined macros by Clipka and Peter Santo to declare all the colors from
the original file with a picked-color gamma correction.  You may declare
xkcd_picked_gamma before including the attached file to override the default of
2.2.

~waggy


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 12 Jul 2010 12:51:19
Message: <4c3b4807$1@news.povray.org>
On 12/07/2010 5:31 PM, waggy wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> You counted them?
>>
>> Weird or what? ;-)
>
> I could claim a legitimate use for modeling wastewater treatment systems...

You could indeed, as I once did for Dwr Cymru. ;-)

>
>> Red, green or blue is good enough for me. :-)
>
> Ah, but there is power in naming things.
>

Ooo! Deep and dark thoughts. Are you a Juju man?

> The original author converted all spaces, slashes, and apostrophes
> to underscores, resulting in some name duplications and redeclared variables.
> Instead, the attached file changed slash characters to _SLASH_,
> apostrophes to _APOS_, and only spaces to underscores.
>
> I also combined macros by Clipka and Peter Santo to declare all the colors from
> the original file with a picked-color gamma correction.  You may declare
> xkcd_picked_gamma before including the attached file to override the default of
> 2.2.
>




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	Stephen


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From: waggy
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 12 Jul 2010 21:05:01
Message: <web.4c3bbb953ccde340f99d05c80@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> >> You counted them?
> >>
> >> Weird or what? ;-)
> >

I missed a few the first time through.  I just finished categorizing most of the
colors, and still can't decide whether weird, or what.

I did send the attached image to my equally nerdy sweety; the center object is
BLOOD_RED, while the others are the eleven shades of rose defined in the file,
though only eight are visible.  The scene file [favsurf.pov] and object is by
Alex Kluchikov, 2003; I just duplicated, transformed, and colored it.

> > I could claim a legitimate use for modeling wastewater treatment systems...
>
> You could indeed, as I once did for Dwr Cymru. ;-)
>
> >
> >> Red, green or blue is good enough for me. :-)
> >
> > Ah, but there is power in naming things.
> >
>
> Ooo! Deep and dark thoughts. Are you a Juju man?

Just a civil engineer in training and a grad student of mechanical engineering.
Whatever Juju I may have is reverse-polish.

[snip]

>
Thanks.  There are enough dirty, muddy, rusty, ugly, gross, icky, nasty, sick,
and other unpleasant and scatological colors to model as much rubbish as you
like.  (There is only one color named with a 'positive' adjective: NICE_BLUE.)

~waggy

P.S.  I think the #local xkcd_picked_gamma = 2.2; statement in
xkcdcolors-gamma.inc should be a #declare statement instead, to work as
described.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 13 Jul 2010 12:46:32
Message: <4c3c9868$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/07/2010 2:04 AM, waggy wrote:

> I missed a few the first time through.  I just finished categorizing most of the
> colors, and still can't decide whether weird, or what.
>

I think BOOGER is weird for a name.

> I did send the attached image to my equally nerdy sweety; the center object is
> BLOOD_RED, while the others are the eleven shades of rose defined in the file,
> though only eight are visible.  The scene file [favsurf.pov] and object is by
> Alex Kluchikov, 2003; I just duplicated, transformed, and colored it.
>

BLOOD_RED, is that arterial blood or venous blood? That is a "what".


>>
>> Ooo! Deep and dark thoughts. Are you a Juju man?
>
> Just a civil engineer in training and a grad student of mechanical engineering.
> Whatever Juju I may have is reverse-polish.
>

Oh! Mighty big Juju, or do I mean Jujitsu?

> [snip]

>>
> Thanks.  There are enough dirty, muddy, rusty, ugly, gross, icky, nasty, sick,
> and other unpleasant and scatological colors to model as much rubbish as you
> like.  (There is only one color named with a 'positive' adjective: NICE_BLUE.)
>

Shows how the voting public think. :-(


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From: robotguy
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 19 Jul 2010 04:35:01
Message: <web.4c440db43ccde340926a7e230@news.povray.org>
"waggy" <hon### [at] handbasketorg> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> > You counted them?
> >
> > Weird or what? ;-)
>
> I could claim a legitimate use for modeling wastewater treatment systems...
>
> > Red, green or blue is good enough for me. :-)
>
> Ah, but there is power in naming things.
>
> The original author converted all spaces, slashes, and apostrophes
> to underscores, resulting in some name duplications and redeclared variables.
> Instead, the attached file changed slash characters to _SLASH_,
> apostrophes to _APOS_, and only spaces to underscores.
>
> I also combined macros by Clipka and Peter Santo to declare all the colors from
> the original file with a picked-color gamma correction.  You may declare
> xkcd_picked_gamma before including the attached file to override the default of
> 2.2.
>
> ~waggy

I'm not surprised I missed a few; the original file wasn't exactly harmonious
with the spreadsheet software (OpenOffice.org) and if I had any hair I would've
torn some out.  After a while I just didn't care if robins egg blue and robin's
egg blue were different colors.

Ed


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From: waggy
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 20 Jul 2010 01:55:00
Message: <web.4c45396d3ccde340f99d05c80@news.povray.org>
"robotguy" wrote:
> I'm not surprised I missed a few; the original file wasn't exactly harmonious
> with the spreadsheet software (OpenOffice.org) and if I had any hair I would've
> torn some out.  After a while I just didn't care if robins egg blue and robin's
> egg blue were different colors.
>
Thanks for posting this!

My personal weapon of choice for this kind of thing is a text editor, with
liberal application of the undo function.  From reading what Monroe wrote about
it, most (but not all) of these colors should have been consolidated to a single
value anyway.  Since this should be done by reprocessing the raw data (which is
also available), I passed on it for now.  As many have attested, and I can also
confirm from personal experience, working with color names is something that
drives people insane.  (I suppose it won't be long before it's adopted for
"enhanced interrogation" in some form.)

Two things I like about the resulting list: being able to just type what I think
should be a color name without having to search a list to get it with a good
chance of successful parsing, and being confident that most people who see the
named color in an image will recognize it as the one I intended.

I'm already using the color list for "serious" work, and noted some benefit.
(Yellow was too light, but DARK_YELLOW seems to work well.)

~waggy


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From: robotguy
Subject: Re: xkcd colors
Date: 28 Jul 2010 13:55:01
Message: <web.4c506e323ccde340926a7e230@news.povray.org>
"waggy" <hon### [at] handbasketorg> wrote:

> Two things I like about the resulting list: being able to just type what I think
> should be a color name without having to search a list to get it with a good
> chance of successful parsing, and being confident that most people who see the
> named color in an image will recognize it as the one I intended.

When I saw the xkcd survey results, those two advantages were the first thing
that popped into my head.  It is certainly more comprehensive than colors.inc


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