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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 08:26:33
Message: <5aa13a09@news.povray.org>
On 08/03/2018 12:23, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 8-3-2018 10:34, Stephen wrote:

>>>>
>>>
>>> Easy peasy indeed. I imagine the guys calibrating those data sheets: 

>>>
>>
>> More likely Pop. The materials used are designed to take the weight 
>> and are over rated.
> 
> Sad. I would like a bit of drama ;-)
> 

Your slightest wish is my command.

https://youtu.be/CjzykTQM-4w?t=78

A similar incident happened on the platform I was on. Unfortunately the 
crane driver was not so lucky. He got trapped in the cabin for hours and 
lost a foot and part of his lower leg.

>>
>>
>>> I am always surprised that we got to the Moon at all, or Mars for 
>>> that matter, where we were able to crash at least once because of 
>>> imperial/metrics confusion... ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Big mistake mixing units. I may think in imperial but work in metric 
>> when I can.
>>
> 
> smart. But then you grew up with imperial of course. I find it difficult 
> (not that I need it).
> 

It is difficult and took years of repetition before it became second 
nature. But after learning things like there are 5280 ft in a mile and 
60 mph is 88 ft/s. Not to mention the currency. The metric system is a 
walk in the park.
Also we oldies can add up in our head. Unlike the youth of today.


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 08:38:18
Message: <5aa13cca$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/03/2018 13:26, Stephen wrote:
> Your slightest wish is my command.
> 
> https://youtu.be/CjzykTQM-4w?t=78

I just noticed a follow up video.
The cage the guys are in is galled a Billy Pugh and you are supposed to 
stand on the outside so you don't get trapped if it goes into the sea. I 
used them for my one trip on the Piper. A white knuckle job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD8y7Slx2ow


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 09:13:37
Message: <5aa14511@news.povray.org>
On 07/03/2018 23:29, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 3/7/2018 7:21 AM, Stephen wrote:
>> Now, I would be surprised if people in the UK did not know that. I 
>> guess I was about 15 or 16 when I was taught it at school.
>> But as a rule of thumb that an inch is about the length of your 
>> thumb's distal phalanx. Is good enough for children as they more 
>> resemble the size of an adult of bygone years.
>>
>> BTW has anyone heard or seen a ruler where feet are divided into tenths?
>> Giving the impression that there are 10 "X inches" to a foot.
>> I saw one once about 30 years ago.
>>
>>
> 
> I have a triangular drafting ruler that is like that.
> 
> 


Hmm I got a set of drafting scale rulers, somewhere in storage. I must 
have a look at them. I think the one I saw was a folding yardstick. My 
great uncle gave them to me when I was at school.


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     Stephen


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 15:21:06
Message: <5aa19b32$1@news.povray.org>

> On 7-3-2018 22:44, Stephen wrote:
>> On 07/03/2018 21:00, Alain wrote:

>>>
>>>> BTW has anyone heard or seen a ruler where feet are divided into 
>>>> tenths?
>>>> Giving the impression that there are 10 "X inches" to a foot.
>>>> I saw one once about 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not feet into tenth, but with inches divided into 1/5, 1/10, 1/3, 
>>> 1/6, 1/9 and 1/12.
>>> I've seen one with foot divided into 1/3 and 1/4.
>>
>> I think it might be industry specific rule.
>> About 30 years ago. My boss, offshore, took some measurements in the 
>> toolpusher's office using a rule he found there. After getting 
>> whatever it was made. It did not fit. He got a bit of a slagging for 
>> it. As you would. ;-)
>> He went back up to check only to find that there was 10 "inches" to 
>> the foot.
>> Drillers use some strange terms. The anchor chain tension is measured 
>> in Kilo-pound-inches. I had never heard of that measurement before I 
>> had to calibrate the load sensors.
>>
> 
> Interesting story. "kilo-pound-inches", could that mean 'thousand pounds 
> per inch'? the word kilo being used for the thousand's value?
> 

Very reasonable assumption. Values in pound per inches would require 
uselessly large values with some not very significant trailing zeros.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 9 Mar 2018 02:53:34
Message: <5aa23d7e$1@news.povray.org>
On 8-3-2018 14:38, Stephen wrote:
> On 08/03/2018 13:26, Stephen wrote:
>> Your slightest wish is my command.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/CjzykTQM-4w?t=78
> 
> I just noticed a follow up video.
> The cage the guys are in is galled a Billy Pugh and you are supposed to 
> stand on the outside so you don't get trapped if it goes into the sea. I 
> used them for my one trip on the Piper. A white knuckle job.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD8y7Slx2ow
> 
> 

Wow... that is nasty. I guess the operator got a well-earned spanking.

I suppose that with high seas this can happen very easily all by itself...

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Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 9 Mar 2018 03:02:32
Message: <5aa23f98$1@news.povray.org>
On 8-3-2018 14:26, Stephen wrote:
> On 08/03/2018 12:23, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 8-3-2018 10:34, Stephen wrote:
> 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Easy peasy indeed. I imagine the guys calibrating those data sheets: 

>>>>
>>>
>>> More likely Pop. The materials used are designed to take the weight 
>>> and are over rated.
>>
>> Sad. I would like a bit of drama ;-)
>>
> 
> Your slightest wish is my command.
> 
> https://youtu.be/CjzykTQM-4w?t=78
> 
> A similar incident happened on the platform I was on. Unfortunately the 
> crane driver was not so lucky. He got trapped in the cabin for hours and 
> lost a foot and part of his lower leg.

Yes... I was joking but I am very aware of the dangers. At the Survey 
one day, we got a sampler stuck at the base of a borehole. The tension 
on the hoisting cable gradually increased until you saw it vibrate like 
a violin string. We rapidly backed away from the site as you can imagine.

> 
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am always surprised that we got to the Moon at all, or Mars for 
>>>> that matter, where we were able to crash at least once because of 
>>>> imperial/metrics confusion... ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Big mistake mixing units. I may think in imperial but work in metric 
>>> when I can.
>>>
>>
>> smart. But then you grew up with imperial of course. I find it 
>> difficult (not that I need it).
>>
> 
> It is difficult and took years of repetition before it became second 
> nature. But after learning things like there are 5280 ft in a mile and 
> 60 mph is 88 ft/s. Not to mention the currency. The metric system is a 
> walk in the park.

Yes indeed. I struggled with the currency... In the bar, it got easier 
with the hour. :-]

> Also we oldies can add up in our head. Unlike the youth of today.
> 

Yep :-)


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Thomas


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 10 Mar 2018 20:48:47
Message: <5aa48aff$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/6/2018 9:48 PM, Alain wrote:
>> Quick question:
>>
>> How do I convert the units of ExposureFactor to my scene?
>>
>> In my scene, 20 units = 1 foot.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
> 
> The formula use meter, a meter = about 39 inches, or 3 feet and 3 inches 
> (3.25 feet in 1 m).
> There are 10.5625 square feet in a square meter.
> 

I still don't know what the effect on the value of ExposureFactor should be.


//  ExposureFactor A conversion factor between the luminance of the
//                 sky calculated (in cd/m2) to POV values. As the sky
//                 luminance can be very high (around 10000 cd/m2)
//                 then an ExposureFactor around 1e-5 will be needed to
//                 get a correct exposure when looking at the sky


Mike


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 10 Mar 2018 20:53:22
Message: <5aa48c12$1@news.povray.org>
Should this macro use srgb in its pigments or rgb?


Mike


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 11 Mar 2018 18:06:37
Message: <5aa5a86d@news.povray.org>

> On 3/6/2018 9:48 PM, Alain wrote:
>>> Quick question:
>>>
>>> How do I convert the units of ExposureFactor to my scene?
>>>
>>> In my scene, 20 units = 1 foot.
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>> The formula use meter, a meter = about 39 inches, or 3 feet and 3 
>> inches (3.25 feet in 1 m).
>> There are 10.5625 square feet in a square meter.
>>
> 
> I still don't know what the effect on the value of ExposureFactor should 
> be.
> 
> 





> 
> 
> Mike

Just start with 1/100000.
If it's to bright, use a lower value. If it's to dark, use a higher value.
Repeat until you get a pleasing result.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 11 Mar 2018 18:10:22
Message: <5aa5a94e$1@news.povray.org>

> Should this macro use srgb in its pigments or rgb?
> 
> 
> Mike

It looks like it's based on lightsys. That mean that you should use rgb.

Rule of thumb : If the colour is from some colour picker or a paint 
application, use srgb. If it's from a formula calculated within the SDL, 
use rgb unless the documentation for that code tells you to use srgb.


Alain


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